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Would you consider Springfield, Massachusetts as having an underwhelming skyline or do you think it’s suitable given its size?
I think Springfield's skyline is perfectly suitable for a city of its size (155,929 pop).
Worcester however has a population of 206,518 which it continually reminds everyone is the second most populated city in New England. One would think that such a distinction would translate into a far more impressive skyline. One might also expect it should be possible to shop in a full service department store or see a film at a cinema in a city of over 200k residents. Those things however cannot be done in New England's second most populated city as these places do not exist in the large city limits (by New England standards) of Worcester.
It's nowhere near the largest metro area in Alabama though. Birmingham has been bleeding people from the city limit for decades. It's one of the only cities in the country that hasn't gone through some type of gentrification process. Most of the really larges ones have at this point.
agreed. those of us who live here have seen it firsthand. i think a term that i just heard (on this forum actually) about baltimore may also apply to birmingham. it's that the gentrification / development is happening here almost exclusively in the "favored quarter" (in this case downtown and several neighborhoods immediately adjacent to it - southside, avondale, crestwood, five points, lakeview for example). so while the transformation has been dramatic in some highly visible areas, many (maybe even most?) of our neighborhoods are still stagnant or even declining. i hope that changes soon, and i do think it will. even now we're finally starting to see reinvestment in neighborhoods that once were left for dead (woodlawn, norwood, ensley, etc).
Memphis Skyline is Just Alright, its a lot of building in down and midtown but Most of it is just Mid-Rises or Shorter and not gonna make a real difference to the overall skyline, kinda like whats happening in Chattanooga, The Pyramid is what makes Memphis Skyline Memorable and Unique and kinda Saves Memphis from having a totally underwhelming skyline
However If Memphis Could Get THESE futuristic buildings built, Memphis' skyline would rise a level or two, These would be the citys first set of Shiny Blue Glass Boxes/towers
https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/...a-pacific.html
This one is a Big IF, ...Total GameChanger IF it gets built the citys skyline would instantly rise a few notches but kinda seems to good to be true for memphis
impressive skylines for the size
-Cincinnati
-Charlotte (Attention to detail of its buildings/Architecture)
-Pittsburgh
-Madison Wisconsin (waterfront with state capitol as the centerpiece)
-Ashville North Carolina
-Clayton Missouri
-Century City California
-Bellevue Washington
-Uptown Houston
-Jersey City
-Washington DC Suburbs (Rosslyn,Arlington, Tysons Corner)
Memphis Skyline is Just Alright, its a lot of building in down and midtown but Most of it is just Mid-Rises or Shorter and not gonna make a real difference to the overall skyline, kinda like whats happening in Chattanooga, The Pyramid is what makes Memphis Skyline Memorable and Unique and kinda Saves Memphis from having a totally underwhelming skyline
However If Memphis Could Get THESE futuristic buildings built, Memphis' skyline would rise a level or two, These would be the citys first set of Shiny Blue Glass Boxes/towers
https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/...a-pacific.html
This one is a Big IF, ...Total GameChanger IF it gets built the citys skyline would instantly rise a few notches but kinda seems to good to be true for memphis
impressive skylines for the size
-Cincinnati
-Charlotte (Attention to detail of its buildings/Architecture)
-Pittsburgh
-Madison Wisconsin (waterfront with state capitol as the centerpiece)
-Ashville North Carolina
-Clayton Missouri
-Century City California
-Bellevue Washington
-Uptown Houston
-Jersey City
-Washington DC Suburbs (Rosslyn,Arlington, Tysons Corner)
The thing about Memphis is that it has a lot of older, really nice looking dense buildings downtown, from the boom it had in the 20s/30s/40s eras. The Memphis skyline looks incredible as you approach from the west--largely due to the flat river delta region, and the city rising up in a dense patch looking like "the Emerald City from Oz" or something.
Memphis has a ton of potential and there are MANY big developments happening all across the city--the riverfront park reconstruction, the museum being built and relocated on the riverfront, the 400 north main redevelopment, south of downtown all of the gentrification, new development and redevelopment happening. All amazing things.
Plus, One Beale street's development is totally changing that skyline part of Memphis--and the new hotel will definitely be built. Although it's only about 250 feet or so, it will be a dramatic impact on the riverfront there.
As for 2 huge, high profile projects in Memphis, "the Walk" and "the Pinch District" (as you referenced), it remains to be seen if either will actually have "shovels in the ground" anytime soon. The Walk would totally transform a blighted, vacant area just to the east of downtown and the baseball stadium--much much needed. There won't be skyscrapers in this district, but there will be high rises of 6 to 15 or so stories--adding much needed density there.
With the Pinch, they have proposed several high rises and skyscrapers in the roughly 200 to 350 foot range, which would be incredible to finally see happen in the long-dormant Pinch District.
The time for these to start construction is now. But the longer time ticks by with nothing happening, the less likely these will be built, in their current plans. Historically, Memphis developments move like molasses. So we will see.
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The thing about Memphis is that it has a lot of older, really nice looking dense buildings downtown, from the boom it had in the 20s/30s/40s eras. The Memphis skyline looks incredible as you approach from the west--largely due to the flat river delta region, and the city rising up in a dense patch looking like "the Emerald City from Oz" or something.
Memphis has a ton of potential and there are MANY big developments happening all across the city--the riverfront park reconstruction, the museum being built and relocated on the riverfront, the 400 north main redevelopment, south of downtown all of the gentrification, new development and redevelopment happening. All amazing things.
Plus, One Beale street's development is totally changing that skyline part of Memphis--and the new hotel will definitely be built. Although it's only about 250 feet or so, it will be a dramatic impact on the riverfront there.
As for 2 huge, high profile projects in Memphis, "the Walk" and "the Pinch District" (as you referenced), it remains to be seen if either will actually have "shovels in the ground" anytime soon. The Walk would totally transform a blighted, vacant area just to the east of downtown and the baseball stadium--much much needed. There won't be skyscrapers in this district, but there will be high rises of 6 to 15 or so stories--adding much needed density there.
With the Pinch, they have proposed several high rises and skyscrapers in the roughly 200 to 350 foot range, which would be incredible to finally see happen in the long-dormant Pinch District.
The time for these to start construction is now. But the longer time ticks by with nothing happening, the less likely these will be built, in their current plans. Historically, Memphis developments move like molasses. So we will see.
The Thing With Memphis, And Really Other Cities Like Louisville Little Rock, Tulsa, Birmingham St
Louis Huntsville Chattanooga etc, a 300-400 footer Makes A HUGE Difference, 2 or 3, "400 footers" would elevate Either of these Cities Skyline, Either City is 2 or 3 400 footers away from having a Great/Impressive Skyline for their size, Funny Thing Is a 300-400 footer in Atlanta or Seattle Would hardly get Noticed
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The Thing With Memphis, And Really Other Cities Like Louisville Little Rock, Tulsa, Birmingham St
Louis Huntsville Chattanooga etc, a 300-400 footer Makes A HUGE Difference, 2 or 3, "400 footers" would elevate Either of these Cities Skyline, Either City is 2 or 3 400 footers away from having a Great/Impressive Skyline for their size, Funny Thing Is a 300-400 footer in Atlanta or Seattle Would hardly get Noticed
Exactly! I think Memphis will be in really great shape once they build this new One Beale Hyatt Hotel, and if they can get 2 or 3 highrises/skyscrapers built for the Pinch District, and eventually get the Walk built out, it will make a huge difference overall in their density and skyline.
Exactly! I think Memphis will be in really great shape once they build this new One Beale Hyatt Hotel, and if they can get 2 or 3 highrises/skyscrapers built for the Pinch District, and eventually get the Walk built out, it will make a huge difference overall in their density and skyline.
St. Louis has 3 towers talked about for phase 3 of Ballpark Village. That is 5 to 7 years off. St. Louis is doing well to fill in the remaining vacant buildings before they start on something new. Clayton's occupancy rate is at pre covid levels but Downtown St Louis hasn't bounced back at all.
St. Louis has 3 towers talked about for phase 3 of Ballpark Village. That is 5 to 7 years off. St. Louis is doing well to fill in the remaining vacant buildings before they start on something new. Clayton's occupancy rate is at pre covid levels but Downtown St Louis hasn't bounced back at all.
Interesting. It's good to see some towers are proposed though!
Yeah, it seems a ton of downtowns across the country are struggling with super high vacancy rates right now--due to the pandemic, as well as the super popular remote option for workers, and their reluctance to go back in-office full-time (which I totally understand).
Clayton does seem like the vibrant "epi-center" really, for the St Louis corporate vibrant business district these days.
As for Memphis, it has the 2 large skyscrapers downtown vacant. But the tallest has a buyer and redevelopment plans in place, so we'll see how soon that redevelops. The other beautiful vacant tower, the Sterick Building, has a super complicated land owner and building owner (or is it a lease? can't recall), so that makes it uber difficult for a buyer, plus all the pricey rehab. I think that situation expires though in the mid-2020's if I'm not mistaken.
So I imagine the Sterick should attract buyers at that point. It's a gorgeous building with potential.
The Pinch district development in Memphis is a long, long time coming, and hopefully something will happen. But Memphis for some reason is very bureacratic and slow--in their process of getting developments to actually occur, especially ones on such a large scale. Heck, the One Beale development that just saw 2 hotels built and some apartments (and a pending 250 foot high tower), was first talked about as a proposal in 2004.
So that development took 16-17 years to finally build. LOL. Opposite of Nashville, which seems to approve and build skyscrapers in record time....
I think it will probably come to resemble Uptown Dallas more. Midtown Atlanta is truly a secondary downtown for Atlanta with several important institutions and sites of interests in its own right such as Woodruff Arts Center, Piedmont Park, botanical gardens, GA Tech, the Fox Theater, the Federal Reserve Bank, Emory Midtown Hospital, etc. South End lacks these types of anchors as does Uptown Dallas, and both are growing and evolving due in no small part to their light rail lines.
I can't agree with the characterization of Uptown Dallas. Its very diverse in its land use.
The rich Park Cities enclave/SMU borders it to the north. Uptown Dallas is very diverse in its use. At its south-end, you have a cluster of the Victory Park development that in is 20-year history has added over $3 billion in property value construction with the American Airlines Center, office towers, retail, hi-rise living, a W Hotel, a Hard Rock Cafe and House of Blues and rail stop. Then just to the east, a Ritz-Carlton Hotel/Condo development, The Crescent with high-end shopping and offices is in Uptown as are several new office towers, the West Village with shopping and a movie theater, the Katy Trail, the Ross Perot Museum of Nature and Science. The Federal Reserve is also in Uptown as are offices for Salesforce, Regions Bank, Rolex, Christie's Auction House, Lincoln Property Company HQs and Texas Capital Bank's HQs (A $40billion institution). Goldman Sachs just announced plans for an 80-story office tower in Uptown. https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...fice-addresses
What Uptown Dallas doesn't have that you reference for Midtown ATL is the Fox theatre and a medical facility. The Arts aspect though is a literally a block away on the north end of downtown with the Winspear Opera House, Wyly Theatre and Moody Performance Hall, all opened between 2010-12. Then you have the Meyerson Symphony Hall adjacent. The closest hospital is in Uptown adjacent - Scottish Rite Childrens. But the biggest is new (2015) Parkland Hospital, a $1.3 billion replacement of the old county facility; a ten minute drive.
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