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Photos I took from earlier today on a walk. I couldn’t help but think of “YoU caNt cOmpAre a SubuRb to aN UrbaN COre” . Imagine what Buckhead must be. Definitely not part of the urban core of Atlanta if Rosslyn isn’t part of DC’s urban core… The entirety of Arlington County including the Pentagon, airport, & Arlington Cemetery have the density of ~9,500 per sq. Mile (which is on par with downtown Nashville & downtown Charlotte off the top of my head)
People get so caught up on tall buildings. A little trivia. Arlington has been home to the largest office building in the world for decades. Height isn’t everything.
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I like the concept of this comparison but agree with others that the areas are different. That doesn't mean that they can't be compared though.
What would be a better comparison to the Arlington corridor given the premise? I can't think of anything. Maybe something else around DC but what's the fun in that?
A more appropriate comparison would be Perimeter Center or maybe Lindbergh to Buckhead.
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What would be a better comparison to the Atlanta corridor? Maybe in 5 years it might be LA's Wilshire corridor, but the subway through the corridor is mostly under construction and the areas around existing stations aren't especially tall nor are they surrounded by single family homes.
While the scale and density are waaay off, the Red and Gold lines through the Downtown/Midtown corridor isis probably most similar to the Red Line of BART through downtown San Francisco. Now watch the freak out ensure.
[quote=waronxmas;64545418]A more appropriate comparison would be Perimeter Center or maybe Lindbergh to Buckhead.
Maybe. What would that look like?
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While the scale and density are waaay off, the Red and Gold lines through the Downtown/Midtown corridor isis probably most similar to the Red Line of BART through downtown San Francisco. Now watch the freak out ensure.
It has to be surrounded by SFH though. That's not true of downtown SF.
A more appropriate comparison would be Perimeter Center or maybe Lindbergh to Buckhead.
While the scale and density are waaay off, the Red and Gold lines through the Downtown/Midtown corridor isis probably most similar to the Red Line of BART through downtown San Francisco. Now watch the freak out ensure.
Rosslyn Ballston dosent really have a similar comparison.
The MSAs are pretty different. DC is far more centralized and urbanized. Those areas are somewhat similar to Tysons in NoVa or maybe Bethesda which is somewhat removed from the urban core.
It's exceedingly hard to compare central Atlanta to core SF. Midtown/Downtown ATL probably compares perhaps closer to Uptown/Downtown Dallas.
Rosslyn Ballston dosent really have a similar comparison.
The MSAs are pretty different. DC is far more centralized and urbanized. Those areas are somewhat similar to Tysons in NoVa or maybe Bethesda which is somewhat removed from the urban core.
It's exceedingly hard to compare central Atlanta to core SF. Midtown/Downtown ATL probably compares perhaps closer to Uptown/Downtown Dallas.
This is probably the best comparison. Atlanta and Dallas are set up pretty similarly as cities with downtown then an uptown/midtown new urbanist neighborhood to the north then lots of affluent sprawl going north from there.
The biggest issue though is Uptown Dallas and Midtown Atlanta aren’t really that similar other than being new urbanist. Uptown Dallas seems to put more emphasis on being a residential area (and a very good one) but Midtown Atlanta practically functions like an extension of Downtown.
Looks like Midtown Alliance crunched some numbers in 2015. The Peachtree Corridor from Downtown to Buckhead then had $21B in real estate value and 140,000 jobs.
Per Census 2020, tracts with population density > 50,000 per square mile:
Fulton tract 12.06: 54,889 / sq. mi., total 4,296
Arlington tract 1017.04: 51,588
Arlington tract 1017.01: 58,838
Arlington tract 1014.05: 72,487
Arlington tract 1014.07: 96,758 <- highest density tract on the east coast between Phila & Miami
Arlington tract 1014.09: 51,735
Maybe the two would be more comparable by including the next Orange Line stop at Foggy Bottom? That gets George Washington University and the Kennedy Center into the mix.
Looks like Midtown Alliance crunched some numbers in 2015. The Peachtree Corridor from Downtown to Buckhead then had $21B in real estate value and 140,000 jobs.
Per Census 2020, tracts with population density > 50,000 per square mile:
Fulton tract 12.06: 54,889 / sq. mi., total 4,296
Arlington tract 1017.04: 51,588
Arlington tract 1017.01: 58,838
Arlington tract 1014.05: 72,487
Arlington tract 1014.07: 96,758 <- highest density tract on the east coast between Phila & Miami
Arlington tract 1014.09: 51,735
Maybe the two would be more comparable by including the next Orange Line stop at Foggy Bottom? That gets George Washington University and the Kennedy Center into the mix.
This comparison is supposed to be about Midtown ATL to Downtown ATL. Buckhead-Midtown ATL-Downtown ATL is around 7 miles long compared to the Rosslyn-Ballston Corridor in Arlington, VA which is 2.6 sq. miles long.
If there are only 140,000 jobs in the Buckhead-Midtown ATL-Downtown ATL corridor which is around 7 miles in distance? That seems really low.
This comparison is supposed to be about Midtown ATL to Downtown ATL. Buckhead-Midtown ATL-Downtown ATL is around 7 miles long compared to the Rosslyn-Ballston Corridor in Arlington, VA which is 2.6 sq. miles long.
If there are only 140,000 jobs in the Buckhead-Midtown ATL-Downtown ATL corridor which is around 7 miles in distance? That seems really low.
The article claims that the corridor area is about 4% of Atlanta's total area, which would make it at most 7 square miles. It's not completely clear if it's claiming that there are 241,000 jobs in the corridor or 58% of 241,000 (139,780). I took it as the former but either way it's between 20,000-34,000 jobs per square mile and I think that it's the higher number.
The article claims that the corridor area is about 4% of Atlanta's total area, which would make it at most 7 square miles. It's not completely clear if it's claiming that there are 241,000 jobs in the corridor or 58% of 241,000 (139,780). I took it as the former but either way it's between 20,000-34,000 jobs per square mile and I think that it's the higher number.
The 7 sq. miles seems about right because the distance between Buckhead to downtown ATL is about 7 miles and the width of the corridor isn’t more than 1 mile so 7 sq. miles makes sense. Arlington, VA has two corridors versus one so the comparison isn’t fair unless we compare the City of Atlanta to all of Arlington, VA which I think has been done on this site before. Obviously, Arlington VA is quite a bit more urban than Atlanta and I wasn’t really trying to compare them in that way.
The difference in population density is pretty stark between the two corridors. I wonder how long it will take Midtown ATL and downtown ATL to reach densities seen in the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor?
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