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I wonder how long it will take Midtown ATL and downtown ATL to reach densities seen in the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor?
Not sure. The DC metro is losing lots of office jobs post-pandemic due to WFH but so is Atlanta. I think those the two markets have hit hardest and it's tough to predict where they'll level out.
Not sure. The DC metro is losing lots of office jobs post-pandemic due to WFH but so is Atlanta. I think those the two markets have hit hardest and it's tough to predict where they'll level out.
Office jobs bring down population density. The ability to build more residential is what raises the population density. What did you mean?
Office jobs bring down population density. The ability to build more residential is what raises the population density. What did you mean?
Did your post originally say "population density" or did it say "density" and you edited? I thought that we were discussing job density. If you didn't edit, I must have misread it.
Did your post originally say "population density" or did it say "density" and you edited? I thought that we were discussing job density. If you didn't edit, I must have misread it.
I didn’t edit it, I was referring to the substantial difference in population density between the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor and the Midtown ATL-Downtown ATL corridor. It’s a pretty stark difference, but I know there is a lot of construction in the Midtown ATL-Downtown ATL corridor so I was asking how long will it take for that corridor to reach the density seen in the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor.
The 7 sq. miles seems about right because the distance between Buckhead to downtown ATL is about 7 miles and the width of the corridor isn’t more than 1 mile so 7 sq. miles makes sense. Arlington, VA has two corridors versus one so the comparison isn’t fair unless we compare the City of Atlanta to all of Arlington, VA which I think has been done on this site before. Obviously, Arlington VA is quite a bit more urban than Atlanta and I wasn’t really trying to compare them in that way.
The difference in population density is pretty stark between the two corridors. I wonder how long it will take Midtown ATL and downtown ATL to reach densities seen in the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor?
You mean the census tract densities? I don't see those differences as stark given the scale. The areas are small enough that a couple of new buildings in each tract could substantially close the gap. As an example the 96,000 ppl/sq mi tract appears to consist of 6-7 total buildings over about 3 blocks.
Still the high density tracts for the Arlington corridor are grouped in two areas so that you get a higher/larger peak area and you get two of them. Ballpark guess is that midtown and downtown ATL would each need to add about 5,000 people in a similarly small area. My guess is that midtown will catch up by mid-decade and downtown a few years later.
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Not sure. The DC metro is losing lots of office jobs post-pandemic due to WFH but so is Atlanta. I think those the two markets have hit hardest and it's tough to predict where they'll level out.
This isn't a small point because every major city is still facing this and it isn't going away anytime soon. In Metro Atlanta for example 41% of white collar office workers are still remote. It turns out that once people got a taste for working remote that didn't want to do anything else, including me.
For example, at my company which has 4 office towers and had 10k employees onsite each day pre-pandemic, 95% of the employees are now permanently remote. Last year they floated a mandatory 2 days in the office scheme and there was a nearly a bloody revolt. Lol
This isn't a small point because every major city is still facing this and it isn't going away anytime soon. In Metro Atlanta for example 41% of white collar office workers are still remote. It turns out that once people got a taste for working remote that didn't want to do anything else, including me.
For example, at my company which has 4 office towers and had 10k employees onsite each day pre-pandemic, 95% of the employees are now permanently remote. Last year they floated a mandatory 2 days in the office scheme and there was a nearly a bloody revolt. Lol
People advocating that their jobs can be done from anywhere may be disappointed in the near future. I predict that many jobs that can be performed from anywhere will leave the US to be performed by lower cost workers. Not most, but a very significant number and many more than people may realize. It was already happening before widespread permanent WFH and will only accelerate.
People advocating that their jobs can be done from anywhere may be disappointed in the near future. I predict that many jobs that can be performed from anywhere will leave the US to be performed by lower cost workers. Not most, but a very significant number and many more than people may realize. It was already happening before widespread permanent WFH and will only accelerate.
Remote jobs can only be done by a select few. People seem to forget this. The majority of jobs can and never will be able to be 100% done from home. My job, at best, is a hybrid model to one location or a consulting style job with some light office work at home and at least 50% extensive travel or 75-100% travel to a plurality of locations instead.
In my industry to get like a full remote job with 0% travel you have to A) be a director basically B) the public sector maybe or C) be a director
Even then it’s not in good looks to be the director and not travel for the job. And I’m in a white collar job, but I work in blue collar industries. For example I work for a famous tech company but like all companies, and I do mean all of them, have facilities and infrastructure that come into play. Somewhere product is made, distributed, stored, and sold. And somewhere between “made” and “distributed” and “stored” is where I show up, not at the HQ.
Remote jobs can only be done by a select few. People seem to forget this. The majority of jobs can and never will be able to be 100% done from home.
Yeah, but in urban centers like these office jobs make up a high percentage of total jobs. And then there's a trickle down. The jobs dependent upon office workers to be profitable go away.
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People advocating that their jobs can be done from anywhere may be disappointed in the near future. I predict that many jobs that can be performed from anywhere will leave the US to be performed by lower cost workers. Not most, but a very significant number and many more than people may realize. It was already happening before widespread permanent WFH and will only accelerate.
Nah...I work at a very large telecom company that shall remain nameless and we've actually become way more efficient. Office work as we knew may come back in style, but it'll be a while and it'll have to be driven by those who never experienced what it was like prior to the pandemic.
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