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Old 02-14-2023, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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I think you’re miss understanding his point. “Tech” is a bi-product of other industries, not the other way around. It’s only as relevant as the industry it stems from.
Huh? Tech has disrupted every industry on the planet and has altered every single one of them.

Even the very term"Tech" is a very broad term that seeks to confine change, when really that's not possible. Innovation, the future, will always, ALWAYS win. We can say we like things as they were but the next big thing comes along and the whole world follows.
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Old 02-14-2023, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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Huh? Tech has disrupted every industry on the planet and has altered every single one of them.

Even the very term"Tech" is a very broad term that seeks to confine change, when really that's not possible. Innovation, the future, will always, ALWAYS win. We can say we like things as they were but the next big thing comes along and the whole world follows.
No one is disputing innovation or its benefits to the economy.

Technological innovation doesn’t exist in a void. Tech hasn’t disrupted anything, it has always grown in harmony to accommodate an industries needs or fix a problem.

How fast the innovation happens entirely depends on select pressure of the particular problem
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Old 02-15-2023, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Huh? Tech has disrupted every industry on the planet and has altered every single one of them.

Even the very term"Tech" is a very broad term that seeks to confine change, when really that's not possible. Innovation, the future, will always, ALWAYS win. We can say we like things as they were but the next big thing comes along and the whole world follows.
Again though, tech does not exist in a vacuum. All that tech doesn't amount to a hill of beans without all the other industries who both need it and other industries who provide the resources to make tech production possible.
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Old 02-15-2023, 08:42 AM
 
Location: OC
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Huh? Tech has disrupted every industry on the planet and has altered every single one of them.

Even the very term"Tech" is a very broad term that seeks to confine change, when really that's not possible. Innovation, the future, will always, ALWAYS win. We can say we like things as they were but the next big thing comes along and the whole world follows.
We are literally watching the world change on a dime but some are still focused on energy and manufacturing.

Your Lyft is outside, and there is no driver.

Companies that aren't improving technology have or are going to die.

Ultimately, that's why this forum tends to downgrade cities with tech as their primary driver.
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Old 02-15-2023, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Ultimately, that's why this forum tends to downgrade cities with tech as their primary driver.
No, literally not that at all. Cities dominated by tech tend to push people out because they involve runaway COL. Cities dominated by tech bros just aren't everyone's cup of tea.

There is no world where energy, agriculture, logistic, finance, manufacturing, ets. aren't major players. The objection I have to this line of posting is this ridiculous notion that tech exists alone, by itself and doesn't need other industries to thrive. It's a tech bro type of arrogance that is why, just maybe, people outside the tech industry don't want to live in places where they are surrounded by that type of attitude. Without those other industries to put into practice new innovations, it doesn't amount to anything.

"They hate us because they ain't us" has nothing to do with this...

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Old 02-15-2023, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Companies that aren't improving technology have or are going to die.
This is really the bottom line, and really every industry knows this. As I sort of eluded to earlier, terms like 'tech' and 'innovation' are limiting in their scope and perception because people think of nerds coding software-but the reality is places that are tech hubs may have nerds coding, but ultimately they are completely about the future, what's the next big thing, and improving upon what already exists.

So long as we live in a world where mankind is preoccupied about the future, about research and development, about engineering breakthroughs, the places where people in that line of work live will always do well, it doesnt matter how the economy is doing, if the goal is the future, cyclical downturns are just cyclical downturns, they are not permanent free falls.
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Old 02-15-2023, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Tif the goal is the future, cyclical downturns are just cyclical downturns, they are not permanent free falls.
Isn't that true of most industries though?
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Old 02-15-2023, 09:27 AM
 
Location: OC
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This is really the bottom line, and really every industry knows this. As I sort of eluded to earlier, terms like 'tech' and 'innovation' are limiting in their scope and perception because people think of nerds coding software-but the reality is places that are tech hubs may have nerds coding, but ultimately they are completely about the future, what's the next big thing, and improving upon what already exists.

So long as we live in a world where mankind is preoccupied about the future, about research and development, about engineering breakthroughs, the places where people in that line of work live will always do well, it doesnt matter how the economy is doing, if the goal is the future, cyclical downturns are just cyclical downturns, they are not permanent free falls.
Yeah there's a reason why Austin and Raleigh are growing so fast and the COL is going up. Seattle is doing well, not sure about SF, but cost is the issue with those two.
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Old 02-15-2023, 10:55 AM
 
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No, literally not that at all. Cities dominated by tech tend to push people out because they involve runaway COL. Cities dominated by tech bros just aren't everyone's cup of tea.

There is no world where energy, agriculture, logistic, finance, manufacturing, ets. aren't major players. The objection I have to this line of posting is this ridiculous notion that tech exists alone, by itself and doesn't need other industries to thrive. It's a tech bro type of arrogance that is why, just maybe, people outside the tech industry don't want to live in places where they are surrounded by that type of attitude. Without those other industries to put into practice new innovations, it doesn't amount to anything.

"They hate us because they ain't us" has nothing to do with this...
All true, I didn't like living in Austin (and left as soon as I could) largely due to this attitude. Tech generally enhances existing industries - it doesn't exist in a vacuum whatsoever. I thought we had already learned that lesson in 1999 and 2000. What goes up, will eventually come down.

That's not to say that innovation in all industries isn't desirable and necessary - it most certainly is. Just that the umbrella term of "tech" is not the end all be all of economic development and never will be.
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Old 02-15-2023, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Isn't that true of most industries though?
is it? an industry will only last if it's relevant. Blacksmiths and carriage makers used to be a thing.
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