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Well Milwaukee is looking into removing I-794 so that might help push Downtown to a true destination above its Midwest competition
I think that would be a very smart decision. The third ward and some of the areas right west of the river are already great. Connect that to the main parts of downtown more and then connect Walkers Point More and you'll have one of the best downtowns in the country.
Pittsburgh has plenty of "quality" suburbs if you're looking for like a safe area with "good schools." Where we're lacking is in upper-middle class areas outside of the city with a walkable town center - in part because Squirrel Hill is within city limits and has essentially filled that function for generations.
Yeah there are actually a lot of them in the Pittsburgh area - people on here tend to compare to the city so if its not as walkable as Pittsburgh CITY neighborhoods they don't list them as walkable. but many of Pittsburgh's suburbs are almost as urban or more urban than sunbelt 'urban' hoods. Dormont, Mt Lebanon, Bellevue, Avalon, Carnegie, and Greensburg are just a few examples of generally middle class fairly dense non-sprawly suburbs around Pittsburgh. These are actually more dense than many sunbelt core urban areas! Oakmont and Sewickley I consider upper class, but otherwise they would fit too. Most metros of the same size probably could not list 2 or 3 let alone the amount that the Pittsburgh area has
Cities suburban areas across the US just tend to be overrated on this site - I really don't get what is so special about the ones most people constantly talk about. Visited many of them and felt like huh? this is it?? Pittsburgh has plenty of good suburbs, even compared to non rustbelt metros.
Yeah there are actually a lot of them in the Pittsburgh area - people on here tend to compare to the city so if its not as walkable as Pittsburgh CITY neighborhoods they don't list them as walkable. but many of Pittsburgh's suburbs are almost as urban or more urban than sunbelt 'urban' hoods. Dormont, Mt Lebanon, Bellevue, Avalon, Carnegie, and Greensburg are just a few examples of generally middle class fairly dense non-sprawly suburbs around Pittsburgh. These are actually more dense than many sunbelt core urban areas! Oakmont and Sewickley I consider upper class, but otherwise they would fit too. Most metros of the same size probably could not list 2 or 3 let alone the amount that the Pittsburgh area has
Cities suburban areas across the US just tend to be overrated on this site - I really don't get what is so special about the ones most people constantly talk about. Visited many of them and felt like huh? this is it?? Pittsburgh has plenty of good suburbs, even compared to non rustbelt metros.
I think Baltimore has the most potential for future growth due to its location on the east coast.
Pittsburg has a lot of potential but hasn't moved the numbers yet in its favor.
St. Louis has to find a way to get out of its own way and when it does, it will be a force to be reconned with.
None of the cities listed has the potential of growing in the way "Austin" has. None of them will put up the incentives nor has the fresh canvas that sun belt cities have had.
I vote neither because its tough to predict the future with the way the economy and the world is moving forward today.
I think Baltimore has the most potential for future growth due to its location on the east coast.
Pittsburg has a lot of potential but hasn't moved the numbers yet in its favor.
St. Louis has to find a way to get out of its own way and when it does, it will be a force to be reconned with.
None of the cities listed has the potential of growing in the way "Austin" has. None of them will put up the incentives nor has the fresh canvas that sun belt cities have had.
I vote neither because its tough to predict the future with the way the economy and the world is moving forward today.
If "location on the east coast" hasn't helped Baltimore in the last 70 years, why would it now?
Are people in large numbers going to have the sudden revelation, "whoa, you never said anything about this Baltimore place being on the east coast! I'm in!"
On the contrary, Baltimore's population decline despite its incredibly favorable location should be seen as an indicator that future growth might be more of an uphill battle than the others.
If "location on the east coast" hasn't helped Baltimore in the last 70 years, why would it now?
Are people in large numbers going to have the sudden revelation, "whoa, you never said anything about this Baltimore place being on the east coast! I'm in!"
On the contrary, Baltimore's population decline despite its incredibly favorable location should be seen as an indicator that future growth might be more of an uphill battle than the others.
I think that exact location is less important in the times of hybrid work. Living in Baltimore and commuting to DC 5 times a week is unreasonable. 2 times? Pretty reasonable.
DC unlike other east coast cities is keeping up with Demand so it’s not seeing the overflow Providence or Worcester or even NNJ is.
If "location on the east coast" hasn't helped Baltimore in the last 70 years, why would it now?
Are people in large numbers going to have the sudden revelation, "whoa, you never said anything about this Baltimore place being on the east coast! I'm in!"
On the contrary, Baltimore's population decline despite its incredibly favorable location should be seen as an indicator that future growth might be more of an uphill battle than the others.
The population loss really has to do with one group leaving en masse and to be fair, outside of NYC all the major Bos-Wash corridor cities are below their peak populations and all are struggling to retain population now so that's not saying much.
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