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Fair enough but I don’t think that anyone has called any of those car free cities, just that you can live car free. NYC isn’t even a “car free city” with 20% of NYC’s land area being Staten Island and nearly 2/3 of Queens households owning a car.
NYC is "car-free" in the sense that often times, it is much easier, quicker, and cheaper to get from point A to point B without the use of the car. A car is nice to have regardless of where one lives, as it's convenient especially when going grocery shopping and such, but I don't think car ownership figures in Queens is indicative of how people generally get around. Sidewalks, buses, trains, subways, and now, CitiBikes, are a standard way of life.
Fair enough but I don’t think that anyone has called any of those car free cities, just that you can live car free. NYC isn’t even a “car free city” with 20% of NYC’s land area being Staten Island and nearly 2/3 of Queens households owning a car.
Its a car free city. With all boroughs combined majority of New Yorkers don’t own a car and majority of New Yorkers take mass transit. Living here you don’t have to have one. I haven’t owned a car in 12 years don’t want one and don’t need it. Even Staten Island has a train line and alot of them take the buses over and take the ferry to the city for work. So try again.
Even Staten Island has a train line and alot of them take the buses over and take the ferry to the city for work. So try again.
Ok. How about this. 83% of Staten Island residents own a car. Fewer Miami households own a car and Miami has three train lines with triple the ridership.
Fair enough but I don’t think that anyone has called any of those car free cities, just that you can live car free. NYC isn’t even a “car free city” with 20% of NYC’s land area being Staten Island and nearly 2/3 of Queens households owning a car.
Short of Venice, no city on earth is “car free” by objective measures.
The average resident in NYC a) does not have car or b) doesn’t use one for day to day necessities and that’s what should be judged.
The only way to rank is by using a scoring system otherwise it's too linear and does not reflect the step function difference accurately.
Data Used to arrive at score-
Car ownership %, Bar density, Tourism number, Hotel rooms, transit stats, flagship retail stats, Bike & scooter share programs & first hand experience.
NYC is the gold standard (1000) all cities were measured against.
Date-07/01/23
-City-, -Urbanity score-, -Price over value-,
-Price score-, -Price for 1BDR-.
If you disagree with this list & ranking based on your first hand experience, please let me know what & why, so we could arrive at a definitive accurate list that will be of true benefit to the public.
The obvious answer is NYC. It's been long known and popularized as the ultimate pedestrian city. Nowhere comes close. I've had multiple family members live in the city their entire life and never had a driver's license. And I'm not just talking Manhattan but the Bronx and Queens too. This has been a common theme in NYC forever. Anyone who uses Staten Island as a barometer for NYC's car/car-free lifestyle is just pulling at straws and has no clue as that borough is a complete outlier with the smallest population of any borough by far. And even Staten Island has long been known for having the Ferry as the main mode of transportation for its residents into Manhattan.
The only way to rank is by using a scoring system otherwise it's too linear and does not reflect the step function difference accurately.
Data Used to arrive at score-
Car ownership %, Bar density, Tourism number, Hotel rooms, transit stats, flagship retail stats, Bike & scooter share programs & first hand experience.
NYC is the gold standard (1000) all cities were measured against.
Date-07/01/23
-City-, -Urbanity score-, -Price over value-,
-Price score-, -Price for 1BDR-.
If you disagree with this list & ranking based on your first hand experience, please let me know what & why, so we could arrive at a definitive accurate list that will be of true benefit to the public.
Hotels??? Bar density?! and not a restaurant or grocery store/corner store density?
The only way to rank is by using a scoring system otherwise it's too linear and does not reflect the step function difference accurately.
Data Used to arrive at score-
Car ownership %, Bar density, Tourism number, Hotel rooms, transit stats, flagship retail stats, Bike & scooter share programs & first hand experience.
NYC is the gold standard (1000) all cities were measured against.
Date-07/01/23
-City-, -Urbanity score-, -Price over value-,
-Price score-, -Price for 1BDR-.
If you disagree with this list & ranking based on your first hand experience, please let me know what & why, so we could arrive at a definitive accurate list that will be of true benefit to the public.
Can you show where you're compiling this data from and the formula used?
The obvious answer is NYC. It's been long known and popularized as the ultimate pedestrian city. Nowhere comes close. I've had multiple family members live in the city their entire life and never had a driver's license. And I'm not just talking Manhattan but the Bronx and Queens too. This has been a common theme in NYC forever. Anyone who uses Staten Island as a barometer for NYC's car/car-free lifestyle is just pulling at straws and has no clue as that borough is a complete outlier with the smallest population of any borough by far. And even Staten Island has long been known for having the Ferry as the main mode of transportation for its residents into Manhattan.
Yea, and there's a new additional ferry service that goes to the west side of Manhattan now. and Staten Island also has the Staten Island Railway that's 24/7 frequent heavy rail service along with an extensive and frequent bus service relative to other urban areas in the US.
It would have been nice if they had built an extension of the R train or some other line across the Verrazzano bridge, but as it is, still pretty good transit service with quite a few walkable neighborhoods.
Ok. How about this. 83% of Staten Island residents own a car. Fewer Miami households own a car and Miami has three train lines with triple the ridership.
It might be interesting to see what the stats are like taking the densest contiguous 36 square miles of Staten Island (equivalent land area to Miami and make a comparison. I suspect Miami would come out on top, but if so, the difference probably isn't going to be much.
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Originally Posted by Joakim3
Short of Venice, no city on earth is “car free” by objective measures.
The average resident in NYC a) does not have car or b) doesn’t use one for day to day necessities and that’s what should be judged.
Right, and I think a stat I'd favor over averages of a municipality would be to mostly ignore municipal lines and instead count contiguous / very well-connected land area of very walkable areas.
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