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Lmao no **** Austin does not look like legacy cities in the northeast. This street was literally single family homes a decade ago (much like almost all of Austin still is). If you want to understand why Austin is in the the top 5 in apartment construction year after year, look at this streetviews.
You are showing yourself to be very ignorant about Austin and Houston. Have you ever traveled to Texas in your life?
I never said Austin isn't building a ton of apartments. I just said the neighborhoods in Austin don't compare to neighborhoods in DC. That is how this conversation began. This doesn't mean Austin is not changing in a dramatic way, but it will never be a DC or Miami. That is what I meant and how the conversation started pages ago.
I never said Austin isn't building a ton of apartments. I just said the neighborhoods in Austin don't compare to neighborhoods in DC. That is how this conversation began. This doesn't mean Austin is not changing in a dramatic way, but it will never be a DC or Miami. That is what I meant and how the conversation started pages ago.
No, that is not what you said. You implied that apartment construction in Austin is randomly distributed through very large city limits, which is not that the case at all. The vast majority of the Austin city limits are zoned exclusively for SFHs and have zero apartments. The overwhelming majority of apartment construction is happening in a handful of areas that are zoned appropriately.
No, that is not what you said. You implied that apartment construction in Austin is randomly distributed through very large city limits, which is not that the case at all. The vast majority of the Austin city limits are zoned exclusively for SFHs and have zero apartments. The overwhelming majority of apartment construction is happening in a handful of areas that are zoned appropriately.
No, this is where the conversation started:
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Originally Posted by MDAllstar
Yeah, I think that is probably true for all cities. I know DC builds almost their entire pipeline in about 2-3 new neighborhoods (NOMA/Union Market, Navy Yard/Buzzard Point, SW Wharf/Waterfront Station. The unit per square mile count for DC where construction actually happens in bulk is probably at the Jersey City level.
Future high levels of construction in the coming years will be downtown DC with the thousands upon thousands of conversions coming, Poplar Point (new waterfront neighborhood), and the RFK campus (new waterfront neighborhood).
DC has over 70,000 units in the pipeline within 61.4 sq miles. Do you have a link to Austin development? Something that would show where development is going like Dallas has?
DC has over 70,000 units in the pipeline within 61.4 sq miles. This is apples and oranges.
No, it isn't? You just aren't familiar with what's happening in Austin. I go to DC on a regular basis. Per-square mile apartment construction there is *not even close* to downtown and downtown-adjacent Austin.
The reality, is that if DC has an overall advantage it's the exact opposite of what you said: it has much larger urban core geographically and construction is spread throughout it.
14. Houston - 28,423 units (640.44 sq mi) = 44 units per mile
15. Dallas - 13,741 units (339.604 sq mi ) = 40 units per mile
16. LA - 17,779 units (469.49 sq mi) = 38 units per mile
I am betting majority of the units in these three cities built were close to the core. At least under around 100 sq miles radius from the central core.
Maybe for the city limits, but it throws me off because so many suburban apartments going up in Houston i'm just unsure if that's in the "city" or not.
No, it isn't? You just aren't familiar with what's happening in Austin. I go to DC on a regular basis. Per-square mile apartment construction there is *not even close* to downtown and downtown-adjacent Austin.
The reality, is that if DC has an overall advantage it's the exact opposite of what you said: it has much larger urban core geographically and construction is spread throughout it.
Do you have a link to Austin development? Something that would show where development is going like Dallas has?
On a side note, I think the blistering pace of development in downtown Austin is amazing. The transformation and plans remind me of what DC is planning with a similar initiative to add 80,000 new net people to downtown DC through office-to-residential conversions.
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This mentions individual apartment complexes but you can see some of the concentrated areas. Personally East Austin+Rainey Street+West Campus have some of the most impressive densifying areas but theres like 10 major projects for dense living in the pipeline.
Then the entirety of East Austin is essentially getting some sort of Apartment heavy revamp.
Same with the entirety of Riverside which are both large neighborhoods.
Riverside there's so many in the pipeline that the neighborhood will probably look recognizable, once any of these projects actually starts. It's mostly an area dominated by low-income apartments that's gonna get a ton of 5+1 and other Apartment buildings and probably warp into a slightly less dense version of West Campus.
This mentions individual apartment complexes but you can see some of the concentrated areas. Personally East Austin+Rainey Street+West Campus have some of the most impressive densifying areas but theres like 10 major projects for dense living in the pipeline.
Then the entirety of East Austin is essentially getting some sort of Apartment heavy revamp.
Same with the entirety of Riverside which are both large neighborhoods.
Riverside there's so many in the pipeline that the neighborhood will probably look recognizable, once any of these projects actually starts. It's mostly an area dominated by low-income apartments that's gonna get a ton of 5+1 and other Apartment buildings and probably warp into a slightly less dense version of West Campus.
Yeah West Campus has like 30k+ people living in it now, which insane. It has two 400' apartment buildings and three 300' apartment buildings remaining in the pipeline that sit in about four city blocks, and these buildings will be like 1k people each. The development that has happened in West Campus (in terms of population) is like two Navy Yards on top of each other.
This mentions individual apartment complexes but you can see some of the concentrated areas. Personally East Austin+Rainey Street+West Campus have some of the most impressive densifying areas but theres like 10 major projects for dense living in the pipeline.
Then the entirety of East Austin is essentially getting some sort of Apartment heavy revamp.
Same with the entirety of Riverside which are both large neighborhoods.
Riverside there's so many in the pipeline that the neighborhood will probably look recognizable, once any of these projects actually starts. It's mostly an area dominated by low-income apartments that's gonna get a ton of 5+1 and other Apartment buildings and probably warp into a slightly less dense version of West Campus.
Thanks! We finally have some data that can be studied:
Slide 3 = 2,614 units under construction
Slide 5 = 4,538 units under construction
Slide 6 = 2,587 units under construction
Slide 8 = 5,881 units under construction
-Austin Development Zone (9km radius) Under Construction = 15,620 units under construction
-Austin Development Zone (9km radius) = 17,715 units in the pipeline
DC Proper 61.4 sq. Miles
New Unit Delivery 2017: 7,035 units
New Unit Delivery 2018: 6,147 units
New Unit Delivery 2019: 6,044 units
New Unit Delivery 2020: 9,548 units
New Unit Delivery 2021: 6,444 units
New Unit Delivery 2022: 6,749 units
New Unit Delivery 2023: 7,744 units (Projected)
New Unit Delivery 2024: 7,012 units (Projected)
-DC Proper Units Under Construction As of December 2022 = 15,856 units under construction
-DC Proper Pipeline As of December 2022 = 70,794 in the pipeline
So when you add Arlington VA and Alexandria VA to what DC is building above, DC adds thousands of additional units to this count.
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Slide 3 = 2,614 units under construction
Slide 5 = 4,538 units under construction
Slide 6 = 2,587 units under construction
Slide 8 = 5,881 units under construction
-Austin Development Zone (9km radius) Under Construction = 15,620 units under construction
-Austin Development Zone (9km radius) = 17,715 units in the pipeline
DC Proper 61.4 sq. Miles
New Unit Delivery 2017: 7,035 units
New Unit Delivery 2018: 6,147 units
New Unit Delivery 2019: 6,044 units
New Unit Delivery 2020: 9,548 units
New Unit Delivery 2021: 6,444 units
New Unit Delivery 2022: 6,749 units
New Unit Delivery 2023: 7,744 units (Projected)
New Unit Delivery 2024: 7,012 units (Projected)
-DC Proper Units Under Construction As of December 2022 = 15,856 units under construction
-DC Proper Pipeline As of December 2022 = 70,794 in the pipeline
So when you add Arlington VA and Alexandria VA to what DC is building above, DC adds thousands of additional units to this count.
Ok, I haven't checked your numbers but you have shown a metric that says that the number of apartments actually getting built in a 9 km radius in Austin is almost identical to Washington DC. And this is despite the fact that a 9 km radius in Austin is mostly trees and grass as opposed to it being concrete in DC. I'm missing how the density of apartment construction in DC is on another level from anywhere.
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