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Well, as someone who is Italian and grew up with real Italian food, I only usually judge based on whether it's something I'd find in my kitchen... Or in the kitchens of those I grew up with.
NYC and Chicago are the only places I've found real Italian food. Pastries and pasta sauce I'd use for my own, etc.
Have you ever been to the North End in Boston? There's some great stuff around there. It's not just great pizza joints and italian restaurants, there are many Italian pastry shops and corner butchers/delis.
My two friends from NY (Westchester Cty) came up last weekend on their way to Maine, and we went through the North End and they loved it. We went to Pizzeria Regina's (the original one, not one of the chain-Regina's that have popped up in Fanueil Hall, South Station, Copley Square Mall, or other surrounding suburban areas), and they said it was some of the best pizza they've ever had.
I know we're not as good as NYC, but we aren't slouches either.
When I visited Boston our cousins took us to this very good Italian place. It was in a really old building with seating in a basement/wine cooler deal-io where we sat. What is it called?
And as for the South, I imagine the Miami metro has good Italian food because of all the NY and NJ residents that move down there or visit often.
detroit doesn't know italian from indiana, houston has some italian restaurants that are good because they moved there from new york, then you have the change in elevations like salt lake and denver affects the dough very badly. come on you can't transfer the art of cooking sauce to other cities like a tree, its an art and for that, new york, boston, philly, northeast area has them all. you have ralph's in albany a little italian place they give you so much and it so good and you still can't eat it all. you always get to take some home and remember it and how you were packed into this little house they made a restaurant and everybody in the place being happy and satisfied. then your restaurants are also known by the sauce, is it too sweet here, maybe a little less there and on and on where you are having arguments over who has the better sauce. do you have those discussions in new mexico or vegas? i doubt it.
You'd be surprised if you came to St. Louis and witnessed the prominent Italian culture. And let's not forgot what city Obama ordered pizza from, twice (St. Louis.
you are right i did not know that about st louie. i will have everyone in detroit mad at me too but its just different and i perceive a difference that seems like their food is bland. am i right? am i wrong? i'am sure i missed some good restaurants there but overall they were harder to find too if they were so good nobody bragged them up to me and i was there for a few years. we also have a pizza pie here in binghamton, ny, corteses and brozzetti's, it sounds like the guy from naples, its rectangular and can get pretty heavy with extras but its great. then there's a little pizza stand behing the trump in atlantic city, kind of white, thin crust nyc style that literally melts in your mouth it is so good but i have not been there for years.
While it's not rated five stars anymore, Tony's (currently 4 stars) in St. Louis was the only Italian five star restaurant in the country. There may not be at this time a five star Italian restaurant.
i would think seafood in new orleans and i have an associate from there and thats all he talks about is the good eating in new orleans. he's like that guy on t.v. that eats ugly food from around the world like rats on a stick, he eats octopus, who the hell eats octopus in the northeast? apparently french food is big of course but i never heard italian in n.o. but i never been there. this is a great topic but it makes me hungry.
New York City, Philadelphia, Chicago, and New Jersey.
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