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I am curious about Atlanta's growth. What portion of the growth is actual population growth within a static boundary (comparing apples to apples)and what portion is from adding to the MSA/CSA? It just seems to me that Atlanta's MSA physical size is gigantic and all those added counties must have accumulated over time. Has any of it been added since 2000?
I just looked up the others on wikipedia and the Atlanta MSA is the smallest of the group at 8376 square miles. On the opposite end is Phoenix at over 16,000 square miles. Sheesh!
I don't know how many times this has to be focused on, but here it goes again for those who haven't done their research.
Please understand that although the Phoenix MSA is listed at over 16,000, it most certainly is mostly barren desert land. The actual urban area of Phoenix is much smaller than that. Anybody who's been to Phoenix understands that once you're outside of the urban area, you're out in the desert.
(From Wiki) - The Census Bureau defines a metropolitan area as the core city plus its county and any nearby counties that are economically dependent on the core city. However, Arizona has relatively large counties and a harsh, rugged desert landscape. For these reasons, much of the land that is part of the Metropolitan Statistical Area is rural or completely uninhabited. The core part of the Phoenix Metropolitan Area is the Phoenix-Mesa, Arizona Urban Area, which is far smaller than the Metropolitan Statistical Area.
^^^True. Of the cities mentioned, Atlanta's urban area is the least dense. However the city of Atlanta is more dense than the others. Not that its a bad thing.
The city of Atlanta is definitely alot more dense than the other cities.
It isn't a lot denser than the other cities. Barely denser, and that just recently happened a year or two ago, when the city was growing from all of the new developments (which is a great thing). The Inner Loop of Houston is 96 square miles, with around 600K, IIRC.
It isn't a lot denser than the other cities. Barely denser, and that just recently happened a year or two ago, when the city was growing from all of the new developments (which is a great thing). The Inner Loop of Houston is 96 square miles, with around 600K, IIRC.
It's not really that recent at all.
Yes, there is an amazing amount of new infill development - but there are also Census tracts in Poncey-Highlands that approach 24,000 psm, and this is an older, stable intown neighborhood that really hasn't seen much new residential growth.
I don't even live in the City, but in an unincorporated area of DeKalb adjacent to it, and my Census tract is over 4,900 psm.
^^^True. Of the cities mentioned, Atlanta's urban area is the least dense. However the city of Atlanta is more dense than the others. Not that its a bad thing.
This I think works as an advantage to Atlanta to a certain extent. The smaller the less you have to deal with. Houston has a lot more problems but also a much larger tax base than both Dallas & Atlanta. So I guess its a catch 22 situation.
I personally don't see how having a larger land area makes a difference. All have pretty bad sprawl within their cities limits which blends in with the sprawl outside of the limits.
Yes, there is an amazing amount of new infill development - but there are also Census tracts in Poncey-Highlands that approach 24,000 psm, and this is an older, stable intown neighborhood that really hasn't seen much new residential growth.
I don't even live in the City, but in an unincorporated area of DeKalb adjacent to it, and my Census tract is over 4,900 psm.
He's saying that Houston and Dallas was denser than Atlanta at census 2000. It just recently passed Houston in 2008 according to the estimates.
He's saying that Houston and Dallas was denser than Atlanta at census 2000. It just recently passed Houston in 2008 according to the estimates.
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