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Whoever said Nashville's interstates were not jumbled and "quite easy to navigate" apparently hasn't driven thru the same Nashville I have. That city's inner-loop convergence of expressways right downtown is among the most confusing messes of any city in America!
Whoever said Nashville's interstates were not jumbled and "quite easy to navigate" apparently hasn't driven thru the same Nashville I have. That city's inner-loop convergence of expressways right downtown is among the most confusing messes of any city in America!
I can see how the quick interchanges on the south side of the loop could be daunting for a traveler...but once you get used to them, they're very easy.
All of the interchanges are splits...so stay in the center lanes as much as possible so you don't have to make lane changes right before the interchange, and read the signs. If you know your control cities (destination cities listed on the exit signs), it shouldn't be too much trouble.
The metro area of Atlanta is way bigger than Austin, Charlotte, or Nashville but the central city must be vital to any metro area. Some counties that included as being 'metro Atlanta' are to far out and should not be included as metro. Metro Atlanta includes 28 counties to get 5.3 million people. Char-
lotte has about the same number of people within 100 miles of downtown.
As to the airport many cities have several airports. Dallas has the 3rd largest airport in terms of flights. When one take into consideration of the large cities in Texas then no one city need all of the flights. Cities need more than airports to grow. Detriot just expanded it's airport a few years ago and it supermodern and large, but can it save the city from decline?
The whole point im making is that demographics change over time. No one can predict exactly what the next 50 years will be like. Some of the trends of what is to come are in motion today. Im just making a point that cities and stats under go change over time. Fifty years ago great cities like Cleveland, St.Louis, Buffalo, and Detriot were all amoung the top 21 cities in the country. Now only Detriot is among these cities in the top 20.
Developers dont just focus on one market, especially with the economy in the skids. The same developers who were building mega buildings in metro Atlanta are focusing on Nashville. Im reading all of the development in the local N'ville papers. And it's a fact that Charlotte has put up more skyscrapers in the last four years than Atlanta in spite of both cities bogged down in a recession.
The metro area of Atlanta is way bigger than Austin, Charlotte, or Nashville but the central city must be vital to any metro area. Some counties that included as being 'metro Atlanta' are to far out and should not be included as metro. Metro Atlanta includes 28 counties to get 5.3 million people. Char-
lotte has about the same number of people within 100 miles of downtown.
As to the airport many cities have several airports. Dallas has the 3rd largest airport in terms of flights. When one take into consideration of the large cities in Texas then no one city need all of the flights. Cities need more than airports to grow. Detriot just expanded it's airport a few years ago and it supermodern and large, but can it save the city from decline?
The whole point im making is that demographics change over time. No one can predict exactly what the next 50 years will be like. Some of the trends of what is to come are in motion today. Im just making a point that cities and stats under go change over time. Fifty years ago great cities like Cleveland, St.Louis, Buffalo, and Detriot were all amoung the top 21 cities in the country. Now only Detriot is among these cities in the top 20.
Developers dont just focus on one market, especially with the economy in the skids. The same developers who were building mega buildings in metro Atlanta are focusing on Nashville. Im reading all of the development in the local N'ville papers. And it's a fact that Charlotte has put up more skyscrapers in the last four years than Atlanta in spite of both cities bogged down in a recession.
The metro area of Atlanta is way bigger than Austin, Charlotte, or Nashville but the central city must be vital to any metro area. Some counties that included as being 'metro Atlanta' are to far out and should not be included as metro. Metro Atlanta includes 28 counties to get 5.3 million people. Char-
lotte has about the same number of people within 100 miles of downtown.
As to the airport many cities have several airports. Dallas has the 3rd largest airport in terms of flights. When one take into consideration of the large cities in Texas then no one city need all of the flights. Cities need more than airports to grow. Detriot just expanded it's airport a few years ago and it supermodern and large, but can it save the city from decline?
The whole point im making is that demographics change over time. No one can predict exactly what the next 50 years will be like. Some of the trends of what is to come are in motion today. Im just making a point that cities and stats under go change over time. Fifty years ago great cities like Cleveland, St.Louis, Buffalo, and Detriot were all amoung the top 21 cities in the country. Now only Detriot is among these cities in the top 20.
Developers dont just focus on one market, especially with the economy in the skids. The same developers who were building mega buildings in metro Atlanta are focusing on Nashville. Im reading all of the development in the local N'ville papers. And it's a fact that Charlotte has put up more skyscrapers in the last four years than Atlanta in spite of both cities bogged down in a recession.
Georgia has the smallest average county size of any state. North Carolina has 100 counties, Tennessee has 95 counties, Georgia has 159 counties. That's why metro Atlanta cover 28 counties.
Counties above 100,000. To keep in mind Atlanta counties are smaller. The blue are counties under 500 sq mi. Most of Atlanta counties are just 200 to 400 sq mi. Counties above 700 sq mi Red.
Atlanta
Fulton (920,581)
Gwinnett (805,321)
DeKalb (691,893)
Cobb (688,078)
Clayton (259,424)
Cherokee (214,346)
Henry (203,922)
Hall (179,684)
Forsyth (175,511)
Paulding (142,324)
Douglas (132,403)
Coweta (127,317)
Bartow (100,157)
Carroll (110,527)
Fayette (106,567)
Charlotte
Mecklenburg County, NC (919,628)
York County, SC (229,073)
Gaston County, NC (206,086)
Union County, NC (201,292)
Cabarrus County, NC (178,011)
Iredell County, NC (159,437)
Catawba County, NC (154,358)
Rowan County, NC (138,428)
Nashville
Davidson County (626,681)
Rutherford County (262,604)
Williamson County (179,997)
Sumner County (161,078)
Wilson County (114,283)
Austin
Travis County (1,024,266)
Williamson County (422,679)
Hays County (157,107)
Atlanta has over 3 million in 5 counties, has over 4 million in 10, and 15 counties overall counties above 100,000. 5.2 in 28 counties is miss leading to the population distribution. Atlanta has nearly 5 million in Charlotte CSA size.
All 3 metros have counties under 100,000, I didn't list them. those "far out counties" in metro Atlanta are equal to the less populated Charlotte, Nashville and Austin ring of exurban counties. In other words dropping Atlanta exurban counties is like dropping those metros to just those counties above.
In no way is Charlotte, Nashville and Austin comparable to Atlanta in population scope. Anson County NC part Charlotte is 25,275, is like Haralson County GA 28,616, Atlanta exurbs are going to be farther out because Atlanta has a much bigger core in general. Atlanta is surround by way more counties over 100,000. MSAs and CSA are base on commuter rates there's multiple reasons why Atlanta has more area.
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Yes Atlanta population is alot larger than Austin is a fact, but Atlanta streches out over 8,000 sq miles, Austin only 4,000+ if you added most of San Antonio MSA population with Austin in which Austin borders SA metro it would come close to Atlanta in terms of population and size.
Yes Atlanta population is alot larger than Austin is a fact, but Atlanta streches out over 8,000 sq miles, Austin only 4,000+ if you added most of San Antonio MSA population with Austin in which Austin borders SA metro it would come close to Atlanta in terms of population and size.
You miss the understanding of my post. Metro Atlanta in just 1,700 sq mi has 3 million plus, in 4,000 sq mi has over 4 million people. The other Half of metro Atlanta area adds less than a million. So you had to look at it Atlanta has 4 million in the metro area size that Austin has. In fact Atlanta has more people in 4,279 sq mi. "Austin size " then Austin and San Antonio together already.
San Antonio: 2,142,508
Austin: 1,716,289 Together: 3,858,797
ATL 10 counties: 4,107,750
Cherokee, 433.99 sq mi
Clayton, 144.28 sq mi
Cobb, 344.51 sq mi
DeKalb, 270.91 sq mi
Douglas, 200 sq mi
Fayette, 199.25 sq mi
Fulton, 534.61 sq mi
Gwinnett, 436.72 sq mi
Henry 324.48 sq mi
Rockdale. 132.13 sq mi
ATL 10 counties 3,020.88 sq mi has 4,107,750
http://connectgeorgia2012.com/images/map_03.jpg (broken link)
http://connectgeorgia2012.com/images/map_03.jpg (broken link)
My point is Atlanta is not more populate then Austin, Charlotte or Nashville because it's 8,000 sq mi. The 5.2 million in 8,000 is misleading, because you can get over 4 million in just 3,000 sq mi actually. If you drop Atlanta MSA size in half Atlanta will drop to 10th.
True, I was stating that the Greater Atlanta Metropolitan area being so large that Austin & San Antonio combine could alomst fit inside its bounderies. Atlanta by no means is small I know it's core is density populated more than Austin & San Antonio combine. I was looking at the 28 counties that Atlanta CSA has.
Atlanta 5.2 million
Aus/SAT near 4 million
Altanta still has more than a million people than Austn & San Antonio combine.
I have a lot of family in Atlanta area the traffic and how the city is laid out drives me nuts. Atlanta has great nightlife but nothing else is appealing about it for me. I love Nashville its my adopted hometown and I will defend it because I really enjoyed living in that city. I never been to Austin and know nothing about it but it's one of the fastest growing US Cities in the USA, they have almost have a million people in their city proper now. I bet I am the only one who would choose Nashville over Atlanta and Austin on here.
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