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I thought you were making an attempt at trying to show that it is winter 5-6 months. Clouds have nothing to do with it. Its agreed upon that if it snows, its winter. But for the months of October, November and April, its not snowing with a few exceptions. Its above freezing for most of the time.
I thought you were making an attempt at trying to show that it is winter 5-6 months. Clouds have nothing to do with it. Its agreed upon that if it snows, its winter. But for the months of October, November and April, its not snowing with a few exceptions. Its above freezing for most of the time.
Being above freezing part of the day does not mean its not winter Elroy.
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For Rochester that is true, Kodak is actually down to 7000-8000 people in the Rochester metro. Alot of people complain about how much Kodak has shrunk. However they never look into the business that spun off from Kodak or started as a result of Kodak. Johnson and Johnson now has a huge presense in the area because Kodak spun off their x-ray division. J&J now does blood plasms and r&D in the area.
The other poster was closer to the answer when it came to Buffalos decline. To answer that, you really have to look at what made Buffalo strong. Originally, a good port/the Erie Canal, then the railroads, cheap power from Niagara Falls, cheap labor from NYC/Europe, less regulations/taxes then other states (hard to believe huh) and the center of many trade routes.
So lets think about this. The Erie canal is obviously just used for recreation nowadays, the port was cut off by the st Lawrence seaway. The government decided to invest in airports and interstates because of the cold war, rather than railroads. Niagara Falls still offers an abundance of power, but you can set up a nuclear or coal power plant anywhere now. We have labor laws, workers rights, restricted immigration, unions etc. And finally too many taxes/regulations after everything else has been stripped from the city.
Most people think Buffalo declined because of taxes and regulations, there is far more to it. Buffalo was interconnected to every major city on the Great Lakes and NYC. The decline of industry ment a decline in shipping. Everytime there was a depression Buffalo took a HUGE hit, and there is much in writing about this. A slowdown in Chicago ment Buffalo had less moving through the city. The expansion of roadways, therefore, really had an impact on the city.
Buffalo never would have become a major city without the Erie canal, no way, no how. The government decided a long time ago, that an interstate canal would be better than the St Lawrence seaway. The St Lawrence was prone to attack from Canada/the British and there was a chance product could be exchanged by Canadas ports. Everyone upstate really owes it to DeWitt Clinton, we really need a statue of the guy somewhere. Because without him, half the cities and towns in NY would fail to exist.
So enough of this, how to we fix present day problems.
Who knows? So many of the locals are so risk averse and selfish, I dont see any real growth in the near term. Downtown has looked pretty much the same for generations. Looks like there are some projects coming down the pipe but there are also people who want to shoot down anything that means change.
If that were true, then places like Rochester would not be seeing population and employment gains until the late 90s. The highways and airports were put forth decades before that. The big hits did not start until recent years. People go where jobs are and weather is secondary. In the hundreds of articles that came out in the past decade about business leaving, taxes & cost of business are cited as the main contributors, not snow. Again I'll mention a place like Minneapolis as a place that has been doing fine in a very harsh climate. And if you believe that tax breaks won't attract business, take a look at the nanotech facility going up in Albany. They are getting millions and millions in tax breaks and are setting up shop upstate. All of these businesses set up shop down south because of much lower taxes and an easier cost of doing business. They did not have to deal with pesky unions and regulations. Many places down south are right to work states which are very attractive for a business opening up.
There are plenty of areas in upstate that offer cultural assets (Rochester, Buffalo, Albany), just on a smaller scale. Buffalo has one of the better art museums in the northeast. Just because you moved because of snow, does not mean everybody else did.
Well I agree with all that G. And I'm not the authority on macroeconomy nor collective demographics, it's just my two cents. Essentially all I'm saying - as others have chimed in - is that there is more to the decline of upstate than taxes. I personally think (barring global warming) the weather is and will continue to be a permanent deterrent. That all said, I certainly wish the best for my old home and the people who still live there now.
LOL, that's just wishful hoping on your part. Every few years a group of idiot back office "economists" proclaim that ____ is dead and will never come back. Silicon Valley, anyone?
New York City will always be a major financial capital and quite honestly, it doesn't need to be the absolute be all end all financial capital of the world to sustain its immense wealth. Don't some consider London to be the financial capital? New York City is still wealthier.
New York State (sans NYC) is poor and quite frankly a worthless state with severe population issues. You might as well live in Alabama. It's about time to get that through your head and control your obvious jealousy. Shouldn't you be grateful of that big fat welfare check sent upstate via the Big Apple? You certainly don't seem like it.
Huh? Might as well live in Alabama? Where did that come from? It actually isn't as bad as you are making it. Upstate has cities with enough culture, great educational institutions and schools, plenty of water and resources, fresh air, relatively safe communities(even the major cities in relative terms) and is in a good location. While there are some issues, I think there are some places in a state of transition and for the better. So, not all is lost for Upstate NY.
Sorry I have to argree with garmin on the weather. Snow rarley falls in October and April, and if it does, it won't stick. April and October and usually pleasent months with mild temperatures. December to Feburary is where we get the bulk of the snow. November and March are usually up and down.
This summer has sucked with all of the rain, I do like the temps however. The winter was awsome this year though. Except for December which had alot of snow. Most of Feburary was nice and sunny this winter. I like it sunny and cold.
We normally get 6 months of decent weather, 6 months of cold/grey weather. 50% is alot of most people. But I still say having a good income changes everything.
That sounds about right for Syracuse too. People in the area talk about how unpredictable the weather can be here. For instance the winter of late 2001/early 2002 hardly had any snow that winter. I was stationed at Fort Drum and while it was somewhat cold, it was bone dry on the ground for a good portion of that winter.
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