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Charlotte lacks a large traditional styled "central park".
While Nashville has the humungous Shelby Bottoms park, a large traditional styled Bicentennial Mall State Park adjacent to the Capitol, AND an urban jewel of a park in Centennial Park with the Parthenon replica.
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Originally Posted by urbancharlotte
The truth is EVERY town (large or small) has some sort of urban/downtown park (or park-like) gathering place.
The truth is also that there are parks, and then there are parks.
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To me, this "park tangent"
No tangent. A very legitimate subject. One that more people probably consider when moving to one city or another moreso than they would consider GDP. And I don't mean rankings on tennis courts and pools.
Yep, which is why I stated facts like Nashville has an urban riverfront and Charlotte doesn't, Nashville has beautiful downtown park space and Charlotte doesn't, Nashville has the ability to bike from downtown to the periphery on paths and Charlotte doesn't, Nashville has the ability to boat amidst the downtown scenery and Charlotte doesn't. Outdoor recreational aspects, ie. facts, are more likely to be reasons someone would consider for moving to one city or another rather than GDP. Those FACTS indeed do speak for themselves.
If this is so, why isn't a great river city like Pittsburgh growing? How about Cincinnati? Better yet, why is Charlotte (a non-river city) growing faster than Nashville (a river city)? Why is Atlanta (a non-river city) the largest city in the South? How come "the mighty river city of Nashville" isn't the "big dog" down South? Why are metros like Raleigh/Durham more populated than Nashville? Why is Raleigh/Durham adding more people than Nashville? Why was Charlotte ranked higher than Nashville when it comes to outdoor activities?
Anyways, here are some more pics of Charlotte and the surrounding area.
Lake Norman (20 mins north of Uptown)
Aerial shots of Lake Norman on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/smithshady/2697435328/ - broken link)
Lake Wylie (20 mins south of Uptown)
lake Wylie 2 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghholt/3698545220/in/set-72157621094812622/ - broken link)
Carowinds Theme Park (15 mins south of Uptown)
Top Gun on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/girlish/123904420/ - broken link)
Cyclone? on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/girlish/123904419/in/photostream/ - broken link)
Water Ride on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/girlish/123904417/in/photostream/ - broken link)
Afterburn on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/uknemesis/3264122602/ - broken link)
Cobra on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/res2b/3567671620/ - broken link)
Snow in Charlotte - 4th Ward on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bz3rk/3324522200/in/set-72157614650743461/ - broken link)
Snow in Charlotte - 4th Ward on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bz3rk/3323689435/in/set-72157614650743461/ - broken link)
Snow in Charlotte - Southend on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bz3rk/3323685597/in/set-72157614650743461/ - broken link)
Lynx New Bern Station, Charlotte on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bz3rk/2857779254/ - broken link)
^^^ Would you expect anything less from the 5th largest metro region in the Southeast?
Mid-day Charlotte Light Rail Ridership on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/12208406@N03/3017364438/ - broken link)
I think you get the point. Nashville is a GREAT city that is doing its own thing. Charlotte is also a GREAT city that is doing its own thing. Charlotte just so happens to be the larger city of the two. Bigger doesn't mean better.
I think this is a rediculous thread...Why should these two cities become against each other?
I was ok with Nashville has some outstanding areas and Charlotte has some outstanding areas. I agreed with Akhenaton06 and even restated the point. I even pointed out the MSAs are comparable with Charlotte a little bigger. I mean heck, my FIRST post in this thread said Charlotte's an ok city, I even almost moved there once. My second post was about the two being comparable. But that apparently isn't sufficient for some people who had to come back with how Charlotte is SO much more this or SO much more that. So I'm like if that's how this thing is gonna go, I can roll with that kind of tone. If that's how this game is gonna be played, I can adjust my playbook for it.
But generally speaking, I'm kinda with you on that sentiment.
I was ok with Nashville has some outstanding areas and Charlotte has some outstanding areas. I agreed with Akhenaton06 and even restated the point. I even pointed out the MSAs are comparable with Charlotte a little bigger. I mean heck, my FIRST post in this thread said Charlotte's an ok city, I even almost moved there once. My second post was about the two being comparable. But that apparently isn't sufficient for some people who had to come back with how Charlotte is SO much more this or SO much more that. So I'm like if that's how this thing is gonna go, I can roll with that kind of tone. If that's how this game is gonna be played, I can adjust my playbook for it.
But generally speaking, I'm kinda with you on that sentiment.
Here is what you missed before this thread was ever started. The OP of this thread came onto Charlotte's local forum (more than once) trying to sway folks to not move to Charlotte and pick Nashville instead. He then started 3 different Nashville vs Charlotte threads (which two of them were closed by the MODs). This one is the last one still open.
The OP wants to know why Charlotte is a more popular destination for transplants than Nashville. It is a good question, however, the OP went about getting that answer the wrong way. He feels that Nashville is "equal" to Charlotte and has lower taxes (therefore Nashville should be the faster growing city). And now, here we are. A thread that is not answering his question.
I pointed out quickly that Nashville and Charlotte are not similar sized metros like many people think. I did not do this in some attempt to belittle Nashville. I did this so people would open their eyes to the fact that this is a not a tale of two equal sized city/metros (because it is not). This is why Charlotte has a 50% larger GDP than Nashville. With that size difference comes the "more things to do" factor. Pound for pound, metro Charlotte has "more to do" than metro Nashville simply because metro Charlotte caters to a larger population on a daily basis. Again, this not a slight towards Nashville. It is just something that has to be brought up in any city vs city debate.
If we ever did a Denver vs Charlotte debate, we would first have to acknowledge the fact that Denver has a metro region with 600,000 more people than metro Charlotte.
In a Charlotte vs Nashville debate, we would first have to acknowledge the fact that Charlotte has a metro region with nearly 800,000 more people than metro Nashville.
The problem we ran into is that some of our friends in Nashville had NO CLUE that the Charlotte/Nashville gap was THAT wide. As a result, this thread has turned into a pointless pissing match between two of the best cities in the South.
Honestly, I have NEVER had anything bad to say about Nashville until these Charlotte/Nashville debates started. It is very irritating to me when I present the facts and folks (not familiar with the facts) choose to ignore them.
This thread was started on the assumption that Charlotte and Nashville were two "equal sized" cities where one of those cities (Charlotte) just so happens to be growing faster. The truth is, they ARE NOT equal sized and Charlotte is growing faster. This is why things have turned so ugly. It is called civic pride (ie, we thought our city was just as large as your city).
I think the fact that Charlotte and Nashville both have two pro-teams fooled a few folks in the Music City. It happens.
Here is what you missed before this thread was ever started. The OP of this thread came onto Charlotte's local forum (more than once) trying to sway folks to not move to Charlotte and pick Nashville instead. He then started 3 different Nashville vs Charlotte threads (which two of them were closed by the MODs). This one is the last one still open.
The OP wants to know why Charlotte is a more popular destination for transplants than Nashville. It is a good question, however, the OP went about getting that answer the wrong way. He feels that Nashville is "equal" to Charlotte and has lower taxes (therefore Nashville should be the faster growing city). And now, here we are. A thread that is not answering his question.
I pointed out quickly that Nashville and Charlotte are not similar sized metros like many people think. I did not do this in some attempt to belittle Nashville. I did this so people would open their eyes to the fact that this is a not a tale of two equal sized city/metros (because it is not). This is why Charlotte has a 50% larger GDP than Nashville. With that size difference comes the "more things to do" factor. Pound for pound, metro Charlotte has "more to do" than metro Nashville simply because metro Charlotte caters to a larger population on a daily basis. Again, this not a slight towards Nashville. It is just something that has to be brought up in any city vs city debate.
If we ever did a Denver vs Charlotte debate, we would first have to acknowledge the fact that Denver has a metro region with 600,000 more people than metro Charlotte.
In a Charlotte vs Nashville debate, we would first have to acknowledge the fact that Charlotte has a metro region with nearly 800,000 more people than metro Nashville.
The problem we ran into is that some of our friends in Nashville had NO CLUE that the Charlotte/Nashville gap was THAT wide. As a result, this thread has turned into a pointless pissing match between two of the best cities in the South.
Honestly, I have NEVER had anything bad to say about Nashville until these Charlotte/Nashville debates started. It is very irritating to me when I present the facts and folks (not familiar with the facts) choose to ignore them.
This thread was started on the assumption that Charlotte and Nashville were two "equal sized" cities where one of those cities (Charlotte) just so happens to be growing faster. The truth is, they ARE NOT equal sized and Charlotte is growing faster. This is why things have turned so ugly. It is called civic pride (ie, we thought our city was just as large as your city).
I think the fact that Charlotte and Nashville both have two pro-teams fooled a few folks in the Music City. It happens.
Tsk Tsk Tsk.... Once again you ruin a decent thread with your endless dribble. Regardless of the imaginary political barriers, Nashville is very comparable to Charlotte my friend. You've overrated Charlotte to the tenth degree. There are no words... If I were to go to Charlotte based on your posts alone, I would expect a city on the same level as Houston or Atlanta. Charlotte's a little bit larger than Nashville. A little bit larger.
2000 US Census bureau. 100 largest (UA) Urban Areas
47. Charlotte NC-SC UA Pop. land area per sq km
758,927 1126.4km
48. Nashville TN 749,935 1115.7km
Screw the political boundaries, Nashville and Charlotte are very similar in size.
If Charlotte isn't in the same leagues as Nashville, them what city? Atlanta, Miami, Dallas? Man pleasssee.
2000 US Census bureau. 100 largest (UA) Urban Areas
47. Charlotte NC-SC UA Pop. land area per sq km
758,927 1126.4km
48. Nashville TN 749,935 1115.7km
Screw the political boundaries, Nashville and Charlotte are very similar in size.
These figures are almost a decade old. The most recent UA estimates, courtesy of the American Community Survey, put Charlotte at 952,806 and Nashville at 819,155. That's not to say that I don't think that Charlotte and Nashville aren't in the same league as cities/metro areas, because I think they are; Charlotte's MSA (1.7 million) isn't significantly larger than Nashville's (1.55 million). Just wanted to provide that updated info.
And since no one has answered it, Charlotte's metro GDP is significantly larger than Nashville's primarily (not solely, but primarily) due to the economic growth of our banking industry. We will obviously see some slowdown in that respect in the near future, but I don't think we'll see Nashville catching up in that regard in the near future.
Tsk Tsk Tsk.... Once again you ruin a decent thread with your endless dribble. Regardless of the imaginary political barriers, Nashville is very comparable to Charlotte my friend. You've overrated Charlotte to the tenth degree. There are no words... If I were to go to Charlotte based on your posts alone, I would expect a city on the same level as Houston or Atlanta. Charlotte's a little bit larger than Nashville. A little bit larger.
2000 US Census bureau. 100 largest (UA) Urban Areas
47. Charlotte NC-SC UA Pop. land area per sq km
758,927 1126.4km
48. Nashville TN 749,935 1115.7km
Screw the political boundaries, Nashville and Charlotte are very similar in size.
If Charlotte isn't in the same leagues as Nashville, them what city? Atlanta, Miami, Dallas? Man pleasssee.
Actually Metro, if you had read back, you will see that I already pointed out that Charlotte and Nashville has comparable UAs (with Charlotte having the faster growing UA). If you want to be honest, Omaha and Charlotte have very comparable UAs too. Are you willing to say that Charlotte and Omaha "are on the same level"? This is why UA is practically ignored by almost every expert when it comes to economic expansion and relocation. MSAs and CSAs are the preferred numbers (and for good reasons).
Also, I have already covered the fact that Nashville's MSA has nearly double the land as Charlotte's MSA (and Charlotte's MSA still has slightly more people). This fact has led to Charlotte having a 50% larger CSA (and a 50% larger GDP).
You should know you can't argue the numbers with me Metro. And NO, Charlotte is not on the level of Atlanta and Miami. Those are YOUR words, not mine. Charlotte is an "in between" city. Not as large as Atlanta, yet not quite as small as Nashville.
You tease Charlotte all the time for having 700,000 people in a 287 sq/mi city. Well, guess what. Nashville has less than 700,000 people in a 502 sq/mi city. If Charlotte had 502 sq/mi of land, this city would have close to 1 million people.
You seriously need to read back, because much of what you are bringing to the table is stuff that has already been covered. You are just late to the party.
One more thing Metro. If you look closely at the numbers, you will see that Raleigh/Durham has a more concentrated (and larger) metro area than Nashville. It is true. Metro Raleigh/Durham is in between Charlotte and Nashville where it counts the most. Raleigh/Durham just don't get the same "big city" respect because it is a two-city metro region. Charlotte and Nashville are single city metro regions (thus, they tend to get more "big city" respect).
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Actually Metro, if you had read back, you will see that I already pointed out that Charlotte and Nashville has comparable UAs (with Charlotte having the faster growing UA). If you want to be honest, Omaha and Charlotte have very comparable UAs too. Are you willing to say that Charlotte and Omaha "are on the same level"? This is why UA is practically ignored by almost every expert when it comes to economic expansion and relocation. MSAs and CSAs are the preferred numbers (and for good reasons).
Also, I have already covered the fact that Nashville's MSA has nearly double the land as Charlotte's MSA (and Charlotte's MSA still has slightly more people). This fact has led to Charlotte having a 50% larger CSA (and a 50% larger GDP).
You should know you can't argue the numbers with me Metro. And NO, Charlotte is not on the level of Atlanta and Miami. Those are YOUR words, not mine. Charlotte is an "in between" city. Not as large as Atlanta, yet not quite as small as Nashville.
You tease Charlotte all the time for having 700,000 people in a 287 sq/mi city. Well, guess what. Nashville has less than 700,000 people in a 502 sq/mi city. If Charlotte had 502 sq/mi of land, this city would have close to 1 million people.
You seriously need to read back, because much of what you are bringing to the table is stuff that has already been covered. You are just late to the party.
One more thing Metro. If you look closely at the numbers, you will see that Raleigh/Durham has a more concentrated (and larger) metro area than Nashville. It is true. Metro Raleigh/Durham is in between Charlotte and Nashville where it counts the most. Raleigh/Durham just don't get the same "big city" respect because it is a two-city metro region. Charlotte and Nashville are single city metro regions (thus, they tend to get more "big city" respect).
Who cares if Raleigh Durham is larger than Nashville. That doesn't mean they're in two different leagues. All three areas are in the same league... There isn't much argument there. If anything Nashville is a more interesting place than both Charlotte and the RDU areas. Nashville and Memphis have more character and place than what we have here in NC. Sad, but true. Dismissing Nashville is absolutely unnecessary. You do this a lot in your posts.
If UA's were insignificant then why would the Census Bureau use it in the first place. I thought they were experts, are they not?
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Not another urban park!!!
It happens.