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Old 01-13-2017, 08:27 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Tampa is bigger for sure, but it's clearly an underperformer.
I'll add that Tampa also suffers from the smaller municipal limits issue that Raleigh does. In fact, one can make a list of other cities in the Southeast whose visibility is diminished because of municipal population. The list includes Richmond and Norfolk too. The reality is that many people look at lists of largest cities and see Nashville on it and not these others, even though they are all comparable by one or more objective metrics.

It takes either a very special and/or branded place like N.O./Orlando, or a very large and significant metro like Miami/Atlanta to transcend the smaller municipal limits barrier. IMO, Nashville has capitalized on both its brand and its giant municipal size to position itself as something bigger than it is. The Triangle is more in Charlotte's league than Nashville by the practical data when one ignores the invisible lines that are used to shape them, and God knows that those are "fighting words" in North Carolina.

We live in a sound bite world where information is consumed at the most simplistic level. You make terrific points about Charlotte and its business climate, etc. but most people couldn't care less. I'm not saying that I agree with these people but that's just the way it is.

Cities like Memphis and Jacksonville especially benefit from their giant municipal limits. Both have relatively small UA population but their visibility is much greater.

 
Old 01-13-2017, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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I'll add that Tampa also suffers from the smaller municipal limits issue that Raleigh does. In fact, one can make a list of other cities in the Southeast whose visibility is diminished because of municipal population. The list includes Richmond and Norfolk too. The reality is that many people look at lists of largest cities and see Nashville on it and not these others, even though they are all comparable by one or more objective metrics.
I understand your arguments on Tampa and Raleigh, but I have to disagree with Richmond and Norfolk being comparable cities to Nashville. Anyone that has been to all three cities can clearly tell Nashville is superior. The city has a larger downtown and sprawling metro area. The amenities in Nashville are also things you won't find in Richmond or Norfolk. Richmond's downtown is small, compact, and very urban. It appears to be on a smaller scale in terms of building size and street activity. Norfolk and Raleigh are both multi nodal metros, and in Raleigh's case, CSA, whereas Nashville is a standalone city. Despite each city's regional presence/dominance, Nashville is almost always recognized as a major city. I will admit Nashville cheats with its municiple boundary, but because there are no other competing/comparable large cities in close proximity/the same region, its prominance is also heightened.

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It takes either a very special and/or branded place like N.O./Orlando, or a very large and significant metro like Miami/Atlanta to transcend the smaller municipal limits barrier. IMO, Nashville has capitalized on both its brand and its giant municipal size to position itself as something bigger than it is. The Triangle is more in Charlotte's league than Nashville by the practical data when one ignores the invisible lines that are used to shape them, and God knows that those are "fighting words" in North Carolina.
Nashville and Charlotte are more comparable because they are standalone cities. Raleigh is only comparable to Charlotte as a CSA from an objective measure. Nashville and especially Raleigh destroy Charlotte in higher education.

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We live in a sound bite world where information is consumed at the most simplistic level. You make terrific points about Charlotte and its business climate, etc. but most people couldn't care less. I'm not saying that I agree with these people but that's just the way it is.
I care about the business climate. Can you imagine if Charlotte had RTP, Duke, UNC, and NCCU in addition to its banking industries? Charlotte would definitely be hated on even more than it already is.

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Cities like Memphis and Jacksonville especially benefit from their giant municipal limits. Both have relatively small UA population but their visibility is much greater.
I agree they benefit, but I don't think it has helped either city from a branding standpoint. Most still consider them inferior to their peer counterparts.
 
Old 01-13-2017, 10:06 AM
 
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I understand your arguments on Tampa and Raleigh, but I have to disagree with Richmond and Norfolk being comparable cities to Nashville. Anyone that has been to all three cities can clearly tell Nashville is superior. The city has a larger downtown and sprawling metro area. The amenities in Nashville are also things you won't find in Richmond or Norfolk. Richmond's downtown is small, compact, and very urban. It appears to be on a smaller scale in terms of building size and street activity. Norfolk and Raleigh are both multi nodal metros, and in Raleigh's case, CSA, whereas Nashville is a standalone city. Despite each city's regional presence/dominance, Nashville is almost always recognized as a major city. I will admit Nashville cheats with its municiple boundary, but because there are no other competing/comparable large cities in close proximity/the same region, its prominance is also heightened.



Nashville and Charlotte are more comparable because they are standalone cities. Raleigh is only comparable to Charlotte as a CSA from an objective measure. Nashville and especially Raleigh destroy Charlotte in higher education.



I care about the business climate. Can you imagine if Charlotte had RTP, Duke, UNC, and NCCU in addition to its banking industries? Charlotte would definitely be hated on even more than it already is.



I agree they benefit, but I don't think it has helped either city from a branding standpoint. Most still consider them inferior to their peer counterparts.
I have to disagree and just my opinion, Richmond's downtown is larger and more urban than Raleigh, Tampa, Charlotte or Nashville.



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Old 01-13-2017, 10:25 AM
 
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Good grief. This thread has gone waayyy off topic. Time to close it.
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