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Birmingham
228,798 city
150 sq/mi of land
1,525 density
Nashville
596,462 city
502 sq/mi of land
1,188 density
Charlotte
687,456 city
287 sq/mi of land
2,395 density
You tell me which two cities are more comparable? All three are very sprawlicious if you ask me.
I'm glad the whole northwestern portion of the city of Nashville will probably never be developed. It's beautiful coming into the city from I-24. If that huge chunk of land keeps our density numbers low, so be it.
Nashville has plenty of development to the Northeast, East, and South to make up for it.
This map shows how Nashville's population is not massively spread out through the whole county but it actually concentrated in the central city and along corridors which connect to the main suburban counties (Williamson and Rutherford to the South, Wilson to the East, and Sumner to the Northeast).
Last edited by vivelafrance; 11-02-2009 at 09:55 PM..
I'm glad the whole northwestern portion of the city of Nashville will probably never be developed. It's beautiful coming into the city from I-24. If that huge chunk of land keeps our density numbers low, so be it.
Nashville has plenty of development to the Northeast, East, and South to make up for it.
This map shows how Nashville's population is not massively spread out through the whole county but it actually concentrated in the central city and along corridors which connect to the main suburban counties (Williamson and Rutherford to the South, Wilson to the East, and Sumner to the Northeast).
I totally understand this my friend. However, the same thing can be said for Charlotte. Charlotte maybe a city of nearly 700,000 people in 287 sq/mi of land. However, 350,000 of those people live in an area of about 90 to 100 sq/mi. At the core, Charlotte's density is between 3,500 to 4,000 people per sq/mi. (heck, the 28202 zip now has a density of 5,000 people per sq/mi). Trust me, I have studied Charlotte's layout zip code by zip code one night when I was bored (much like now).
At the core, my guess is that Charlotte and Nashville are not that different. However, as one would travel away from the core, Charlotte is more developed (hence, the larger and denser MSA/CSA).
I totally understand this my friend. However, the same thing can be said for Charlotte. Charlotte maybe a city of nearly 700,000 people in 287 sq/mi of land. However, 350,000 of those people live in an area of about 90 to 100 sq/mi. At the core, Charlotte's density is between 3,500 to 4,000 people per sq/mi. (heck, the 28202 zip now has a density of 5,000 people per sq/mi). Trust me, I have studied Charlotte's layout zip code by zip code one night when I was bored (much like now).
At the core, my guess is that Charlotte and Nashville are not that different. However, as one would travel away from the core, Charlotte is more developed (hence, the larger and denser MSA/CSA).
You act like Charlotte is this massive place and completely gobbles Nashville. Charlotte has about 200,000 people more in the metro area, which is nothing to brag about.
I have been to both cities and they feel about the same size.
As many times as Charlotte's "relatively small" MSA is mentioned, no one has EVER mentioned how Charlotte's GDP per capita stacks up against other cities in the World. Being that Charlotte's MSA is soooo small (in land area and population) my guess is that Charlotte's GDP per capita is pretty high. Let's look at how Charlotte's per capita GDP looked back in 2005 (just four years ago).
Table 2 Top 100 World Metropolitan Regions Gross Domestic Product per Capita: 2005 Estimates Purchasing Power Parity Metropolitan Areas over 1,000,000 Population Rank Nation Metropolitan Area GDP per Capita
1 United States San Jose $78,700 2 United States Charlotte $67,900
3 United States San Francisco $65,400
4 United States Washington $65,300
5 Belgium Brussels $63,700
6 United States Boston $59,000
7 United States Seattle $57,600
8 United States New York $56,200
9 Sweden Stockholm $55,100
10 United States Hartford $55,000
11 United States Denver $54,700
12 United States Minneapolis-St. Paul $54,600
13 Germany Hamburg $53,500
14 United States Dallas-Fort Worth $53,000
15 United States Houston $51,900
16 United States Indianapolis $51,800
17 United States Philadelphia $50,100
18 United States San Diego $50,000
19 United States Atlanta $49,600
20 United States Los Angeles $49,100
21 United States Chicago $48,400
22 United States Salt Lake City $48,200
23 United States Milwaukee $47,800 24 United States Nashville $47,700
24 United States Columbus (Ohio) $47,700
26 United States Las Vegas $47,400
27 Austria Vienna $47,000
28 Australia Perth $46,700
29 United States Portland (Oregon) $46,600
30 United States Kansas City $46,400 Rating World Metropolitan Areas: When Money is an Object | Newgeography.com (this is the link to the remaining 70 not listed above)
In all honesty, when the HUGE gap between Charlotte's MSA and CSA population closes, Charlotte's GDP per capita will drop like a rock. However, right now it is up there. To my knowledge, Charlotte has dropped some spots since 2005 (due to the MSA growing faster than the GDP), however Charlotte is still "up there" in GDP per capita.
Last edited by urbancharlotte; 11-03-2009 at 01:48 AM..
Yea ok the GDP in Charlotte is high. That's not the only quality a city can have. Charlotte's unemployment rate is about 2% higher than Nashville's and there was an article in major newspapers last week about the hardtimes in Charlotte so obviously having a high GDP doesn't save the local economy.
Also, I don't mind Nashville being compared to Birmingham but what makes it a better comparison? Nashville is growing 3x faster than Birmingham and the gap in population is much wider between nashville and Birmingham than Nashville and Charlotte.
Also, I don't mind Nashville being compared to Birmingham but what makes it a better comparison? Nashville is growing 3x faster than Birmingham and the gap in population is much wider between nashville and Birmingham than Nashville and Charlotte.
I'll post this quote again just for you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by urbancharlotte
Birmingham
228,798 city
150 sq/mi of land
1,525 density
Nashville
596,462 city
502 sq/mi of land
1,188 density
Charlotte
687,456 city
287 sq/mi of land
2,395 density
Birmingham's CSA
1.2 million (roughly)
5,900 sq/mi
Nashville's CSA
1.6 million (roughly)
6,300 sq/mi
Charlotte's CSA
2.4 million (roughly)
6,500 sq/mi
You tell me which two cities are more comparable? All three are very sprawlicious if you ask me.
Like I said, when it comes to population (and layout) Birmingham is a better comparison to Nashville than Charlotte.
Look at the numbers (population and land area) . Birmingham (the city and metro) is every bit more comparable to Nashville than Nashville is to Charotte when it comes to population and layout. Heck, even the skyline's of B'ham and Nashville are more comparable to each other.
As DeaconJ said, Louisville and Jacksonville are closer comparisons to Nashville as well.
I'll post this quote again just for you.
Look at the numbers (population and land area) . Birmingham (the city and metro) is every bit more comparable to Nashville than Nashville is to Charotte when it comes to population and layout. Heck, even the skyline's of B'ham and Nashville are more comparable to each other.
As DeaconJ said, Louisville and Jacksonville are closer comparisons to Nashville as well.
Of course for most of this thread we've talked about MSAs and now it's CSAs because those numbers make a better argument for you.
Of course for most of this thread we've talked about MSAs and now it's CSAs because those numbers make a better argument for you.
Those numbers are what separates the Atlantas from the Charlottes because if you only go by city population (and COMPLETELY ignore land area), "Charlotte" is a larger "city" than "Atlanta". Guess what? "Nashville" is a larger "city" than "Atlanta" too. You are the one that chooses to ignore the truth. Next, you will be telling me that Nashville is larger than Atlanta because Nashville has a larger city population (all while completely ignoring the land area difference of Atlanta and Nashville).
I SERIOUSLY doubt you have ever been to Charlotte. Give me some credit. I have been to Nashville (for both work and leisure). There was a club down by the riverfront named Time night lounge (Charlotte had a "Time" too back then) that I went to the first time I visited Nashville (about 10 years ago). Back then, the nearby Titans stadium was named after a cable company (Adelphia). There were some project housing not too far from my hotel on the other side of the stadium and river. Those projects reminded me of a similar housing project that used to be in Uptown Charlotte (called Peidmont Courts). Anyway, my last visit to Nashville was about 3 to 4 years ago (truck driving). I'd say the gap between Charlotte's downtown and Nashville's downtown has widened a bit since my first ever visit to Nashville. Heck, downtown Nashville was better than downtown Charlotte when I first visited the Music City.
Anyways, I have seen MANY cities in my career and Nashville is one the great cities in America. Just remember that this is a Charlotte vs Nashville thread (one of 3 started by this same OP). This OP's agenda is one of the reasons why I am posting facts that seperate Charlotte from Nashville.
Last edited by urbancharlotte; 11-03-2009 at 09:35 AM..
I'm saying use MSAs. I know city limit populations are flawed I NEVER said use city populations. So are csas because some cities don't even have a CSA. Nevermind that we had been talking about MSAs mostly until this point.
I never got into which city is better because that's very subjective and could be argued forever. What I've been saying is that when you look at the MSA both population and growth rate shows Nashville and Charlotte are in the same league.
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