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View Poll Results: Which would you rather live in?
Row House 128 64.32%
Triple Decker 71 35.68%
Voters: 199. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-06-2017, 08:41 AM
 
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A Philly row house located in Boston seems best to me.
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Old 08-06-2017, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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A Philly row house located in Boston seems best to me.
This reminds me of a statement I used to make to the effect that there's nothing wrong with Philadelphia that a wholesale exchange of the population with Boston's wouldn't cure.

I think that's less the case now than in the 1980s, though.
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:16 PM
 
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Philly row home definitely.

Was in Philly last week for a few days. Had a blast!
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:17 PM
 
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I prefer the row house because many Philly row houses are brick because they are sturdier and better in a fire than frame houses like the triple decker.

One of the things I like most about Philadelphia is that they keep so many older buildings and have respect for history. In my city they are quick to tear down residential buildings and put up cheap Fedders buildings. Beautiful old Penn Station was torn down and we now have a horrible low ceilinged hell hole of a Penn Station.
I agree. Philly does an excellent job preserving its history. Better than anywhere.

Don't forget about the Philly stone houses. My favorite housing style and it's all over Philly. Definitely an advantage.
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Old 08-11-2017, 05:41 PM
 
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If you read the history of why Boston went with Triple-Decker's over continuing row Homes 1880s to 1920s as Philly stuck to row-housing well into the 20th century? It was in the Triple-Decker for its masses to make it more affordable to buy. By having two rentals while the owner lived in the third.

Boston's Triple-Decker's also could be attached as some are or single. Porches fronts, sides backs even were common and some green-space. Just not necessarily in setbacks front streets. They did maintain density as ALL were multi-residential structures.

The irony is : In the 1940s ... building a Triple-Decker in Boston was virtually banned as a "fire hazard" Recently, a new wave of triple decker apartment houses has been built in areas of Boston as an alternative to the townhouse style condominium or apartment buildings more typically associated with suburban areas. Boston's zoning regulations allow new three-family houses to be constructed in areas with existing triple-deckers. However, building codes for the new buildings are far more stringent today, with requirements for fire sprinkler systems and handicap access.

https://everipedia.org/wiki/Triple-decker/

- Three-deckers were most commonly built in the emerging industrial cities of the central New England region of the United States between 1870 and 1920.

- Often, three-deckers feature two apartments per floor, with the units sharing a common wall. Each apartment typically has a front and/or back porch for each apartment, and because the buildings are usually freestanding, there are windows on all four sides. Some three-deckers feature a single front door which accesses all three units; others feature two entrances

- The economics of the triple-decker are simple: the cost of the land, basement and roof are spread among three or six apartments, which typically have identical floor plans. The triple-decker apartment house was seen as an alternative to the row-housing built in other Northeastern cities of United States during this period, such as in New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington, D.C.

- They were primarily housing for the working-class and middle-class families, often in multiple rows on narrow lots in the areas surrounding the factories. They were regarded as more livable than their brick and stone tenement and row house counterparts in other Northeastern cities, as they allowed for airflow and light on all four sides of each building.
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Philly chose the row-home to stay with well into the 20th century.... for the masses.
The idea was ALL could a afford a common Philly row-home and it did become a city of the highest home ownership in the Nation then. But lower numbers of multi-resident and apartment buildings too then other cities.

Row Houses | Encyclopedia of Greater Philadelphia

- From Philadelphia’s founding, the row house has served as an easy solution to housing the city’s residents. As ambitious colonists began to break up the big city blocks of William Penn’s “greene country towne” with secondary streets, alleys, and courts, speculative developers and builders constructed rows of houses that matched varied budgets and taste.

- Constructing houses in a row was cost-effective and efficient for builders. It allowed them to replicate a design from only a few plans, consolidate crews and resources at one site, and buy materials in bulk. The shared party walls of row houses also meant less stone or masonry work compared to a free-standing house. For piping sewer, plumbing, and gas lines, such specialized and expensive work could be done for the entire row at one time, saving labor costs. Little changed between the houses as builders completed them down the street for eventual sale.

https://www.planning.org/pas/reports/report164.htm

^Disadvantages of Row Housing

- Most of the unfavorable comment regarding row housing arises from experience with the type of unit built in the past. Many of these objections have been overcome by modern design and architectural treatment; others are primarily a matter of individual taste as to the kind of living accommodation preferred.

- The typical OLDER row house is admittedly too narrow to allow good interior planning. Living space is consequently restricted and furnishing difficult. Without adequate fencing there is little privacy in the yard. Thin party walls transmit sounds from adjacent units. Lack of proper ventilating equipment causes the house to be hot in the summer. In the very oldest examples of big city row housing, dwellings were commonly deep and dark, a fault aggravated by the inadequate artificial lighting of the era.

- Endless facades of brick and wood caused one dwelling and indeed one street to be indistinguishable from another, except in those instances where owners went in for fancy colors on doors and trim. Exterior uniformity in a neighborhood of row houses is generally thought to be aesthetically more depressing than it is in a tract of detached single-family dwellings, although this is a fairly debatable point.
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But in housing for our masses today and desirability nationally ..... I'd prefer a detached Triple-Decker over simple row. But not over Old Boston's Terrence rows with high craftsmanship or some quaint Colonial rows of Philly.

Overall NOT in the Topic's choice. A third contender ...... could be the Craftsman Bungalow w/basements that was Chicago's choice - 1910-1940 and Los Angeles - choice 1910-1930 early 20th century ...... over Triple-Decker's and common Row-housing built for the masses. Though Chicago-bungalows were brick. LA's choice to developed its Bungalow styles were wood-frame with sweeping roofs and porches that were common till the Ranch home took over.

I'd say overall..... Americans would chose a detached common Bungalow over a attached basic row-home or even attached or detached Triple-Decker? Merely my opinion. Living in small city central PA. Old-stock row-housing by pricing, value and added equity attained. Row-housing is the least valued and desired outside of Philly basically.

I'd choose a LA or Chicago Bungalow if a third choice for common big city housing for its masses..... was in this option. But the Ranch home BEAT THEM ALL eventually.
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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I agree. Philly does an excellent job preserving its history. Better than anywhere.

Don't forget about the Philly stone houses. My favorite housing style and it's all over Philly. Definitely an advantage.
What kind of stone house?

There are the fieldstone Colonials that are so popular on the Main Line, also found in parts of Northwest Philly.

Or are you talking about the stone-fronted rowhouses and twins that you find in many more of the outliying neighborhoods? They're faced with the same stone as those Colonials, but most of these have brick rear facades.

Or something else?
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I agree. Philly does an excellent job preserving its history. Better than anywhere.

Don't forget about the Philly stone houses. My favorite housing style and it's all over Philly. Definitely an advantage.
Most of the stone comes from the Wissahickon schist in Northwest Phily-it is my favorite housing style as well. My neighborhood in Germantown, and most of Northwest Philly has a lot of stone homes.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:37 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Most of the stone comes from the Wissahickon schist in Northwest Phily-it is my favorite housing style as well. My neighborhood in Germantown, and most of Northwest Philly has a lot of stone homes.
Speaking of stone houses, the fronts of row houses in large parts of Baltimore are covered with something called formstone. It's a type of fake stone or stucco applied to the brick fronts. I've always liked the appearance of real stone but find formstone to be kind of ugly. Fortunately it can be stripped off and the fronts restored to the original brick, which looks much better in my opinion.
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Old 08-12-2017, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Like Boston triple deckers, but LOVE Philadelphia Rowhomes. Rowhomes can be absolutely gorgeous.

My favorite rowhomes, fronting Schuylkill River Park in Fitler Square:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9483...7i13312!8i6656

Delancy Place in Rittenhouse Square:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9471...7i13312!8i6656

New construction in Logan Square:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9577...7i13312!8i6656

Green Street in Fairmount:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9653...7i13312!8i6656

New Construction in Northern Liberties:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9616...7i13312!8i6656

New Construction in Graduate Hospital:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9429...7i13312!8i6656

Victorian Rows in Spruce Hill:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9513...7i13312!8i6656

Queen Lane in East Falls:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0135...7i13312!8i6656

5-point intersection in Francisville:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9676...7i13312!8i6656

New Construction in Spring Garden:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9663...7i13312!8i6656

Historic Street in Society Hill:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9438...7i13312!8i6656

New Construction in Wash West:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9441...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 08-12-2017, 01:31 PM
 
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Like Boston triple deckers, but LOVE Philadelphia Rowhomes. Rowhomes can be absolutely gorgeous.

My favorite rowhomes, fronting Schuylkill River Park in Fitler Square:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9483...7i13312!8i6656

Delancy Place in Rittenhouse Square:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9471...7i13312!8i6656

New construction in Logan Square:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9577...7i13312!8i6656

Green Street in Fairmount:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9653...7i13312!8i6656

New Construction in Northern Liberties:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9616...7i13312!8i6656

New Construction in Graduate Hospital:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9429...7i13312!8i6656

Victorian Rows in Spruce Hill:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9513...7i13312!8i6656

Queen Lane in East Falls:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0135...7i13312!8i6656

5-point intersection in Francisville:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9676...7i13312!8i6656

New Construction in Spring Garden:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9663...7i13312!8i6656

Historic Street in Society Hill:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9438...7i13312!8i6656

New Construction in Wash West:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9441...7i13312!8i6656

It kills me when people say Philly is a ****hole. I can probably spend an hour showing them otherwise because they have no clue what kind of neighborhoods and homes there are, but it's a waste of time. "this is a ****hole?", "this is a ****hole?", "this one too?" "****hole?"

Boston just has a lesser % of bad areas and it's 1/3 the size, so Boston may appear better looking, but it doesn't mean Philadelphia's best neighborhoods aren't as good. Philly's best neighborhoods rival any city in America, that's a damn fact.

Boston has no equivalent for NW or W Philly, and I'm 99% sure most people have no clue either because they just stick to the CBD.

Northwest Philly residential areas are like a damn forest, I love it.
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