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I think people are confused because the Bay Area is so wealthy and highly educated and so known for its yuppies and Silicon Valley and what not, that they automatically assume that the region is lily white...perhaps they do it subconsciously. I don't know.
But the reality is, the region is one of the most diverse in the world.
No. Not really.
We think the same of the socioeconomic traits when we think NY metro, so we're not assuming anything.
The point is - ethnic diversity is just as important as racial diversity. When it comes to racial diversity, NYC and Bay Area are tied. Its been widely assumed that NY is far more ethnically diverse than the Bay Area, and unless we have some numbers that dispute that i'm still going with the Tri State when it comes to diversity.
I just can't stand braggarts, of any stripe. You guys have way more than your fair share - and it absolutely begs a response.
we aren't bothering you tho.
we (at least i don't) go in atl (or insert your city here) related threads that have nothing to do with nyc just to talk about how atl (or insert city here) is not going to win the poll, topic, whatever.
we don't derail topics that aren't related to nyc at all...yet there are always ppl in here from neither city that want to talk about how great *insert city is* in relation to nyc.
why is that???
unless its ______ vs nyc, me and the majority of ppl that post in this area from nyc aren't even in the thread at all.
when the topic is ____ vs nyc then yes, we are going to talk about how our city is. we should be able to.
You 2 are new here...just noticed that. Yes Ive been living in NYC for a few months now...moved to NYC from Brazil by way of The Bay Area.(Most of the more seasoned forumers here know that Im a huge Bay Area homer-no harm intended tho)
I love living in New York-its amazing. This is the 3rd time Ive lived in NYC and it has never failed to impress me over and over again. Although I've been thinking of moving to a house over to a house in Alpine, NJ that I looked at a few days ago-been staying at my Mother-in-Law's townhouse and its cool(Mainly cause she's at home in Brazil-hahaha) but I've been feeling claustrophobic...sometimes I like grass and trees and a pool.
Yep you are extravagant. LOL. Nothing wrong with it.
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Suspect highest-paid workers at Goldman in NYC are not dissimilar from highest-paid workers at Apple or Google in SiliconValley: lots of Jews, Indians and random white dudes
Competitive, lucrative industries anywhere self-select most talented workers of any persuasion who can generate profits
Rest of "diversity" tends to be a bunch of parasites who feed off other taxpayers...
How did I already predict the content of this guys post, word for word?
I sit on the board of a Tongan community group in the Bay Area and we are trying our darndest to make the 2010 Census reflect what all past Census years have missed in our community.
We estimate between 15,000-25,000 Tongans in the Bay Area, but the Census last time around reported less than half that.
That is due to people in our community not understanding what the Census is, primarily due to the language barrier.
So we've been holding several open houses at various Tongan churches around the Bay(including EPA). Our campaign has hopefully worked and this will be reflected in the results of the Census.
Oh, and Im from Oakland.
Hey I was born and raised in San Mateo myself. I grew up in the Shoreview district east of the 101. I remember the sizeable Tongan presence in my neighborhood. I remember as a kid, I was always fascinated how my next door neighbors would cook whole pigs on a spit type set up and in their backyard. I loved it though. That was the best tasting pork. I miss those days in the Bay Area.
So I took you up on your offer and created newer variables and plugged in your diversity index, and will concede, SF still beats out NY metro - but barely: 0.755 vs. 0.736.
I broke up the White non-Hispanic into three groups:
White non-Hispanic US born
White foreign born (in Europe and Canada)
and Arab.
I broke the Black category into:
Black non-Hispanic US born
Black West Indian Ancestry
Black Sub-Saharan African Ancestry
Hispanic I broke into:
Mexican
Puerto Rican
Cuban
Other
And finally Asian into:
East Asian
South Asian
I used the 2006-2008 ACS Census estimates to come up with these numbers.
I think it paints a slightly more accurate picture.
breaking down these races/ethnicites into these groups proves that nyc is more ethnically diverse. the puerto ricans/cuban population is way lower then nyc , and the main majority of blacks are afro american. and san Fransisco does not have more white groups then nyc. the only race in sf with more ethnic diversity then nyc are asians.
It will be interesting to see the figures from the 2010 census. I remember reading a few years ago that Santa Clara County had the nation's fastest growth in Asian population in raw numbers. It was growing even faster than humungous LA county.
The point is - ethnic diversity is just as important as racial diversity.
No one is denying that, but you don't win both categories. Not at all.
Furthermore, it has been demonstrated here that regionally speaking, the Bay Area's racial diversity and disapora of foreign born residents is more far reaching than in the NY CSA.
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When it comes to racial diversity, NYC and Bay Area are tied.
As far as CSA vs CSA, they are not tied. We've already gone over this several times and now its getting redundant to rehash the same thing over and over and over and over again.
New York CSA
54.0% White Non-Hispanic
15.7% Black Non-Hispanic
20.1% Hispanic
8.4% Asian
1.0% Two or More Races
San Francisco CSA
46.2% White Non-Hispanic
6.4% Black Non-Hispanic
22.4% Hispanic
21.1% Asian
2.6% Two or more races
The Bay Area has no racial majority group and 3 groups have more than 20%.
NY actually has a majority group and only one other group has more than 20%.
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Its been widely assumed that NY is far more ethnically diverse than the Bay Area, and unless we have some numbers that dispute that i'm still going with the Tri State when it comes to diversity.
We've posted several stats already proving our points. No one is saying that Bay Area is more ethnically diverse, but there are many signs here based on the data that would indicate that perhaps this is also the case in a region vs region comparison.
The huge amount of data shown in this thread has been quite compelling and very informative for people who have actually taken a look.
I will repeat yet again a statement that Ive already made twice in this thread but obviously bears repeating:
We know the Bay Area has a higher proportion of foreign language speakers than NY, we know that the Bay Area has a higher proportion of foreign born residents than NY, we know that the Bay Area has greater racial diversity than NY and we know that the Bay Area's diversity is also more spread out throughout the entire region than NY.
That is all substantiated by the US Census Bureau.
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