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Good for Cleveland. But not really relevant to this discussion, since Cleveland's public transit doesn't compete with any of the cities being discussed here.
Somebody thought Portland belonged in this discussion, so why not Cleveland? They both have circulators.
It makes no sense to compare DC's CSA to Chicago's in terms of comparing transit ridership. Baltimore is its own distinct metropolitan area, and the number of transit riders from Baltimore to DC is comparatively miniscule (you'd have to factor in Amtrak ridership as well if you were going to proceed down this path).
For a more appropriate comparison, you'd need to include Milwaukee's numbers with Chicago's--but that wouldn't make sense either. In this case, the MSA-to-MSA comparison is most appropriate.
Somebody thought Portland belonged in this discussion, so why not Cleveland? They both have circulators.
My comment wasn't related to Portland. Philly, San Fran, Boston, Chicago and DC all have at least 25% of commuters taking public transit every day. Cleveland is at 12%--it's not in the same league, with or without its Circulators.
Its only cool to people who see it as a novelty: country people, exurbanites, and filthy rich liberals(who don't actually need it).
I'm hoping you're being sarcastic, but I think that is a terribly outdated view that is unfortunately still held by some people.
IMO, It's just ludicrous to associate public transportation with people of lesser means, especially when it often saves comfortably middle-class people lots of time and money.
jjacobclark... why do you keep ignoring my posts when I've put up data. You go straight to 14thandyou every time.
If you include Baltimore then include Milwaukee. Milwaukee's public transit is a joke. It's stupid either way. Milwaukee is just as different from Chicago as Baltimore is from DC. No one else has backed you up if you haven't noticed. This is because you are wrong and posting facts of unrelated things.
jjacobclark... why do you keep ignoring my posts when I've put up data. You go straight to 14thandyou every time.
If you include Baltimore then include Milwaukee. Milwaukee's public transit is a joke. It's stupid either way. Milwaukee is just as different from Chicago as Baltimore is from DC. No one else has backed you up if you haven't noticed. This is because you are wrong and posting facts of unrelated things.
lol what? That would be totally fine by me, but people on this board do not want to include Milwaukee as part of Chicagoland..even though in reality there are trains going there from the loop all day long...
DC and SF always get the nod to boost up their metros with jobs and pops from Baltimore and SJ though
so sure u can knock Chicago area for its public trans while keeping DC B in the same league... just give Chicago 12.5 million metro next time in the threads too and realize Chi and LA is in a 2nd tier all by themselves as far as U.S. cities go, they are after all, the only two other alpha cities in the U.S. after NYC. adn this is not from some city data poll
I think chicago system is great, i voted dc #2 in my post though already.
ps the area just got over an 800 million dollar fed money for high speed rail
Last I checked Chicago wasn't really a subway either with only a couple of underground stations, hence the name the 'L' (for Elevated)
The Subway is much smaller than the Elevated system - but I wouldn't really say it's "not really a subway with only a couple underground stations".
There are 21 subway stations - most of them very highly used in the central areas. Lots of people don't even realize there's a subway at all - and it actually has more stations than the totals of some entire systems.
This thread is really turning into a pissing match though!
I would say it's a tossup between DC and Chicago. DC has awesome rail usage/coverage in the main urban area, and Chicago has very extensive coverage over quite a very large area.
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