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Yes it is a great post and I'm glad to see this information is being more or less well received. Posts like that are what I was hoping for - breaking the stereotypes and myths that people spread.
Oh I haven't checked them for what percentage of the population was covered but the bottom 5 states raw are (best to worst)
1. Massachusetts
2. Michigan
3. South Dakota
4. Delaware
*D.C.
5. New Jersey
I was surprised to see Nj THAT low--I know there is racism here, but there is also a lot of tolerance and acceptance, since we have such a diverse population.
Then I clicked on the SPLC's Hate Map, which lists the groups, and I see we have a lot of both Neo-Nazi groups and Black Separatist groups. As far as I know, I don't know any Neo-Nazis personally, and the only Black Separatist I know of is the step-son of a woman I work with, and only because she told me about him (he criticizes her for working in a "white" environment--i.e., a public sector office job, and for giving her son a "white" name like Robert.)
Maybe we should gather some up from these two groups, put them in the new Meadowlands Stadium, and let 'em fight. Charge admission, allow gambling--hey, Jersey's broke, it's just a thought.
Yes it is a great post and I'm glad to see this information is being more or less well received. Posts like that are what I was hoping for - breaking the stereotypes and myths that people spread.
Back in the 1940's, my grandfather warned my mother not to date/marry Italians because Italian men all have sex with their daughters. It sounds ridiculous, but he believed this, and so probably did a lot of other people at the time.
The best way to break stereotypes is to get to know other people as individuals--but we first have to get past our programming to even allow that to happen.
Maybe we should gather some up from these two groups, put them in the new Meadowlands Stadium, and let 'em fight. Charge admission, allow gambling--hey, Jersey's broke, it's just a thought.
Would have been better to put them in the old stadium and then implode it as they brawled.
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I hate the term "Hate Crime" as if murdering or attacking someone is ever because you like, let alone love that person.
I've always thought that it was a flawed legal concept...to give the crime more weight because of what may or may not have going on in the assailant's mind at the time of the murder. Isn't the act itself enough?
I hate the term "Hate Crime" as if murdering or attacking someone is ever because you like, let alone love that person.
Understandable. So what would you call a group of young men that randomly went around looking looking to victimize individuals of another race? It's not just thugery at that point. It's not just gang violence.
Homicides that are gang related or are family related or business related(drugs, prostitution, etc) are in a different category than homicides related to racial hatred. Victims of racially charged crimes rarely get themselves into precarious situations on their own, whereas with drugs and prostitution...well, they kind of do. (we can have another thread about the "kind of", LOL)
I do agree, however, that murders of all kind are a tragedy. But there's nothing more humiliating... or nothing more upsetting to socal cohesion, than a racially charged crime, especially if it's a murder... because the potential for creating racists on the victim's side of the family is huge.
THAT'S WHY IT'S GIVEN MORE ATTENTION. NOT BECAUSE IT IS ANY MORE DESPICABLE THAN ANY OTHER CRIME, BUT BECAUSE IT IS A THREAT TO PEACE AND SOCIAL COHESION IN SOCIETY.
Murders or crimes committed outside of racial prejudices still are a threat to social cohesion, but will not galvanize a who group of people into chaos. Take the Rodney King example in Los Angeles. Cops are jerks in ALL cities, and who hasn't gotten hassled by the police? But in this case, they SPECIFICALLY brutalize him (was he guilty? maybe, but did he deserve what he got? I would say no) because of his race, and this upset the already racial uneasiness in the area.
Same thing in Jasper, Texas. It was 3 men who singled out a man and murdered him because of his race and nothing else. This upset race-relations in a part of the country still grappling with a racist past. Now... if the three white men knew the black man, and the black man had stiffed them out of a business deal, or if the black man had for whatever reason wronged one of them... it wouldn't be AS big a threat. Black folks in the community wouldnt feel fear. White folks wouldnt feel fear of retaliation from black folks. It was a personal matter... and the fact of the matter is, most murders in this country are.
I've always thought that it was a flawed legal concept...to give the crime more weight because of what may or may not have going on in the assailant's mind at the time of the murder. Isn't the act itself enough?
I agree.
That's the real change America needs. A murder is a murder, I don't think it makes a difference what color/status the victim was- How is exploiting these "hate crimes" and blowing them way out of proportion, as if a white man (for example) having personal issues with a black man is never going to happen?
Once America starts realizing the fact that not every altercation between to races/statuses isn't always due to racism/prejudice, than I'll see actual tolerance.
Understandable. So what would you call a group of young men that randomly went around looking looking to victimize individuals of another race? It's not just thugery at that point. It's not just gang violence.
Homicides that are gang related or are family related or business related(drugs, prostitution, etc) are in a different category than homicides related to racial hatred. Victims of racially charged crimes rarely get themselves into precarious situations on their own, whereas with drugs and prostitution...well, they kind of do. (we can have another thread about the "kind of", LOL)
I do agree, however, that murders of all kind are a tragedy. But there's nothing more humiliating... or nothing more upsetting to socal cohesion, than a racially charged crime, especially if it's a murder... because the potential for creating racists on the victim's side of the family is huge.
THAT'S WHY IT'S GIVEN MORE ATTENTION. NOT BECAUSE IT IS ANY MORE DESPICABLE THAN ANY OTHER CRIME, BUT BECAUSE IT IS A THREAT TO PEACE AND SOCIAL COHESION IN SOCIETY.
Murders or crimes committed outside of racial prejudices still are a threat to social cohesion, but will not galvanize a who group of people into chaos. Take the Rodney King example in Los Angeles. Cops are jerks in ALL cities, and who hasn't gotten hassled by the police? But in this case, they SPECIFICALLY brutalize him (was he guilty? maybe, but did he deserve what he got? I would say no) because of his race, and this upset the already racial uneasiness in the area.
Same thing in Jasper, Texas. It was 3 men who singled out a man and murdered him because of his race and nothing else. This upset race-relations in a part of the country still grappling with a racist past. Now... if the three white men knew the black man, and the black man had stiffed them out of a business deal, or if the black man had for whatever reason wronged one of them... it wouldn't be AS big a threat. Black folks in the community wouldnt feel fear. White folks wouldnt feel fear of retaliation from black folks. It was a personal matter... and the fact of the matter is, most murders in this country are.
That's probably the best defense of the hate crime laws that I've ever read. Kudos to you.
Understandable. So what would you call a group of young men that randomly went around looking looking to victimize individuals of another race? It's not just thugery at that point. It's not just gang violence.
Homicides that are gang related or are family related or business related(drugs, prostitution, etc) are in a different category than homicides related to racial hatred. Victims of racially charged crimes rarely get themselves into precarious situations on their own, whereas with drugs and prostitution...well, they kind of do. (we can have another thread about the "kind of", LOL)
I do agree, however, that murders of all kind are a tragedy. But there's nothing more humiliating... or nothing more upsetting to socal cohesion, than a racially charged crime, especially if it's a murder... because the potential for creating racists on the victim's side of the family is huge.
I understand what you're saying, but who's to blame a whole race based on an individuals charges? There's plenty of history and racial charged crimes but it seems that most incidents between two races are blown up into a racist incidents. In today's society anyway.
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