Would Cleveland/Northeast Ohio Be Better Off if it Were Its Own State? (Columbus: university, calculating)

[costello_musicman]

Originally Posted by Clevelander17

Further I think there are a lot of anti-Cleveland policies coming from the state, including the redistricting fiasco that cuts our influence into pieces, the denial of the 3-C money, and most recently the delaying of our casino opening.

Another example today...would a bridge construction project be left in limbo for ten years if this was located in Columbus??

"It's another broken promise from the state of Ohio to Northeast Ohio," said Ohio Rep. Bill Patmon, whose district includes the Inner Belt Bridge. "And it flies in the face of most of the rhetoric that says we're going to build our infrastructure to a viable condition. It's difficult to do that when your transportation is handicapped."

ODOT says money for second Inner Belt Bridge may not come until the 2020s | cleveland.com

[Clevelander17]

Originally Posted by costello_musicman

Another example today...would a bridge construction project be left in limbo for ten years if this was located in Columbus??

"It's another broken promise from the state of Ohio to Northeast Ohio," said Ohio Rep. Bill Patmon, whose district includes the Inner Belt Bridge. "And it flies in the face of most of the rhetoric that says we're going to build our infrastructure to a viable condition. It's difficult to do that when your transportation is handicapped."

ODOT says money for second Inner Belt Bridge may not come until the 2020s | cleveland.com

It's all hypothetical, of course, but if state legislators, lobbyists, members of the administration, etc. had to use those roads on a daily basis and deal with those headaches, I doubt it would take them long to get it taken care of.

[OhAcid]

Well when it collapses like the bridge in Minneapolis did then the state will wish it had done things differently. Restitution for victims families, medical expenses, cleanup, traffic diversion and re-building are bound to be much more expensive.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Where is your proof of this? Where are the numbers? Most of the Clevelanders in this thread strike me as whiny and irrationally jealous of something they can't even prove is true. Further, it's entirely petty to sit there and demand that Columbus give up some of its economic strengths in the ridiculous belief that Cleveland will suddenly blossom. Should Columbus residents be angry that Cleveland has the medical facilities that it does? Please. Get a grip, Clevelanders, and look in the mirror.

Where's my proof of what? Are you denying that the State of Ohio and OSU are the 2 largest employers in the Columbus area and that they are both either largely or entirely funded by the rest of Ohio? The CCF is not state funded, nor is it federally funded.

And for the last time, the vast majority of Columbus area residents don't work for OSU or state/federal government.

Not to give credence to your huge strawman, but the vast majority of Cleveland area residents don't work for the non-tax funded CCF. Even if they did, it's irrelevant. The CCF is a private NPO. The point I'm making is that it's pretty naive of you to tout the economic merits of Columbus without acknowledging that the influx of tax dollars is a big, big part of it. If you can't acknowledge that one simple and indisputable fact, you should likely heed your own advice about getting that "grip."

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by costello_musicman

Another example today...would a bridge construction project be left in limbo for ten years if this was located in Columbus??

"It's another broken promise from the state of Ohio to Northeast Ohio," said Ohio Rep. Bill Patmon, whose district includes the Inner Belt Bridge. "And it flies in the face of most of the rhetoric that says we're going to build our infrastructure to a viable condition. It's difficult to do that when your transportation is handicapped."

ODOT says money for second Inner Belt Bridge may not come until the 2020s | cleveland.com

I know the above question is largely rhetorical, but the answer is quite simply: hellz no.

This is little more than just another attempt by the current gubernatorial regime to get those pesky people up north (who just happen to be responsible for a large chunk of the state's GDP) to fall in line.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by costello_musicman

Another example today...would a bridge construction project be left in limbo for ten years if this was located in Columbus??

"It's another broken promise from the state of Ohio to Northeast Ohio," said Ohio Rep. Bill Patmon, whose district includes the Inner Belt Bridge. "And it flies in the face of most of the rhetoric that says we're going to build our infrastructure to a viable condition. It's difficult to do that when your transportation is handicapped."

ODOT says money for second Inner Belt Bridge may not come until the 2020s | cleveland.com

Yeah, delaying infrastructure projects would never happen in Columbus...

ODOT pushes back future phases of I-70/71 reconstruction project | The Columbus Dispatch

Keep wearing the tinfoil hats up there, guys.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

Where's my proof of what? Are you denying that the State of Ohio and OSU are the 2 largest employers in the Columbus area and that they are both either largely or entirely funded by the rest of Ohio? The CCF is not state funded, nor is it federally funded.

I'm asking for direct proof that Columbus receives a majority share of state budget funding, specifically funded at the expense of the Cleveland area. Don't be intentionally dense, I have only asked for this multiple times across two different forums now.

Also, Columbus money goes to the rest of the state as well. You know, living in a state, your tax money goes into a general fund used in many cities for many purposes. Clevelanders are the only ones whining about it. I don't see people from Toledo, Dayton, Cincinnati, Mansfield, Springfield, Marietta, Athens, etc complaining about this.

Not to give credence to your huge strawman, but the vast majority of Cleveland area residents don't work for the non-tax funded CCF. Even if they did, it's irrelevant. The CCF is a private NPO. The point I'm making is that it's pretty naive of you to tout the economic merits of Columbus without acknowledging that the influx of tax dollars is a big, big part of it. If you can't acknowledge that one simple and indisputable fact, you should likely heed your own advice about getting that "grip."

And it's supremely ironic that you're b*tching about Columbus benefitting from public money when your entire complaint is that Cleveland should be getting a lot more of it. Your argument is petty and ridiculous.

[OhAcid]

So I guess my question is - where exactly is all of our tax payer money going since absolutely everything seems to lack state funding? Hmm?

It's funny that the people doing the auditing of everyday people would be pushed out of business if they had to audit themselves. Seriously, what the hell have we let happen.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

I know the above question is largely rhetorical, but the answer is quite simply: hellz no.

This is little more than just another attempt by the current gubernatorial regime to get those pesky people up north (who just happen to be responsible for a large chunk of the state's GDP) to fall in line.

Pushing back the 70/71 project to 2025 really sticks it to NE Ohio! That'll teach you guys!

[OhAcid]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Pushing back the 70/71 project to 2025 really sticks it to NE Ohio! That'll teach you guys!

Considering it's also I90, one of the busiest highways in America, yes it does. Especially since it's also a bridge.