Cleveland Should Market itself as an Affordable Cultural Mecca (Cincinnati: living, vs.)

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by goofy328

Lol. You may not have realized it, but you just did the same thing you accused him of by comparing Chicago to New York. as if anything can compare to New York.

Right! It's about as futile as comparing Cleveland to Chicago.

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by averysgore

That sounds like a fairly dated sentiment to me, a relic from the 90's when the default assumption was that everybody wanted newer, bigger, and further from the city. I think it's pretty obvious that investment in the central city is growing exponentially, even if Cleveland's definitely behind the curve nationally on this.

Well, maybe there is investment in the central city, but the most recent Census statistics still show outward migration overall. Cleveland and most of the suburbs within Cuyahoga County are declining in population, while those in the surrounding counties are mostly gaining. As far as I can see, there has been no true reversal as yet.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by andrew61

Well, maybe there is investment in the central city, but the most recent Census statistics still show outward migration overall. Cleveland and most of the suburbs within Cuyahoga County are declining in population, while those in the surrounding counties are mostly gaining. As far as I can see, there has been no true reversal as yet.

Ya, and people are rushing to Chicago in record numbers......silly me, i forgot that Chicago has been losing population, along with it's many mid-western counterparts.

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

Ya, and people are rushing to Chicago in record numbers......silly me, i forgot that Chicago has been losing population, along with it's many mid-western counterparts.

Why do so many Clevelanders feel the need to put down Chicago?

I think I know the answer. As Reason Magazine put it so eloquently:

Since its population hit a high point in 1950, Cleveland has lost more than half of its residents and essentially all of its economic and cultural capital. The Rapture happened here, but instead of going to the bosom of God in heaven, the elect ended up in Houston, Charlotte, Los Angeles, New York, and, most galling of all because of its proximity and broad-shouldered similarity, Chicago. There was a time, at the turn of the 20th century, when Cleveland and Chicago were real rivals, but that competition long ago devolved into a sort of lopsided Clippers vs. Lakers fiasco in which the clear winner need not even acknowledge that a competition ever existed.

How to Save Cleveland - Reason.com

Go ahead. Keep putting down Chicago. In doing so, you only betray your own insecurity.

Enough said.

[LuvOrlando]

I never knew anyone IRL who had a chip on their shoulder regarding Chicago. It's a nice city. It's cleaner and prettier than Cleveland. They have transportation and newstands and everything real cities have that poor Cleveland does not. The traffic sucks, though.

Cleveland wouldn't need to market itself at all if it was a great place to live. Being great would be enough.

I watched a special on Detroit the other day. It had a guy talking, about ten years ago, about how Detroit was rebounding and how in a few short years, everyone would want to visit and live in (lol) Detroit.

This entire country is becoming socialist. We are privileged enough to be watching the downfall of a society...and it is happening right here, in Cleveland. We aren't fortunate, but we are privileged. People will study this one day, especially in Asia. They will see what was said and what was happening...and we are WATCHING it happen.

Instead of pretending that marketing will change it, we should wonder why our tax dollars are taken in the name of Marketing...and how they're being spent...and by whom.

[goofy328]

Originally Posted by andrew61

Why do so many Clevelanders feel the need to put down Chicago?

I think I know the answer. As Reason Magazine put it so eloquently:



How to Save Cleveland - Reason.com

Go ahead. Keep putting down Chicago. In doing so, you only betray your own insecurity.

Enough said.

So ... We're talking about a feud that goes back to 1901?

[Cleverfield]

I don't consider Chicago to be in our region, so I don't really compare it with Cleveland. It has a different culture, different historical population, and came up at a historically different time. We are more likely to compare ourselves with cities in NY or Pennsylvania that came up at similar times, had similar immigrant populations, and similar industries. We don't have an "inferiority complex" to Chicago, because we simply don't really compare ourselves to Chicago, we're too dissimilar.

And to LuvOrlando, the reason Cleveland ought to start "marketing" itself is because people's perceptions don't change over night, even if the reality of what's happening changes. Sometimes you need to bring things to people's attention for them to see the whole picture.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by andrew61

Why do so many Clevelanders feel the need to put down Chicago?

I think I know the answer. As Reason Magazine put it so eloquently:



How to Save Cleveland - Reason.com

Go ahead. Keep putting down Chicago. In doing so, you only betray your own insecurity.

Enough said.

LOL- Andy talking about insecurity!

By the way, TomJones123 is not a Clevelander. He's just rational. Ask someone about it sometime.

2 and a half year old articles are the best you have? Fitting.

[averysgore]

Originally Posted by andrew61

Why do so many Clevelanders feel the need to put down Chicago?

I think I know the answer. As Reason Magazine put it so eloquently:



How to Save Cleveland - Reason.com

Go ahead. Keep putting down Chicago. In doing so, you only betray your own insecurity.

Enough said.

That article was awful! "It was immigrants from all the hellholes of Europe and the American South, after all, who helped make Cleveland great in the first place. There is an infinite number of worst places in the world from which people would be happy to flee." I can't take anyone seriously who would write a pair of sentences like that.

BUT I did appreciate this anecdote, the only substance in the whole thing really:

"Cimperman went on to explain that the city council’s role was to help business owners and residents “thread the needle” of endless regulations and mandates and edicts. (Cleveland has more than 20 zoning designations alone.) He boasted of helping a linen company—the last one of its kind within city limits—that had been trying for the better part of a decade to get variances allowing it to expand. With Cimperman’s help, the company managed to navigate the paperwork in a mere 18 months. When I talked with him about Houston’s less restrictive land use policies and wide-open approach to new businesses, he scoffed: “Houston is a joke.” If that’s true, the painful punch line is that during the last 50 years, Houston became the country’s fourth-largest city while Cleveland was sliding down to 41st."

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by andrew61

Why do so many Clevelanders feel the need to put down Chicago?

I'm not a Clevelander. I am a New Yorker living in Cincinnati.