Is The West Side Doing Better Than The East Side? (Cleveland: rent, to buy)

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by reretarff

Oh I'm sorry. I forgot that you were around to remember what happened in the Heights area back in the 1920's to 1940's. Nah. I trust my father in law who lived in Glenville, University Heights, Beachwood and for the past 40 something years in a mansion on E.Overlook in the area of Cleveland Heights that you're talking about.

The first Jewish people moved away from the city of Cleveland to the Heights back in the mid-late 1920's. But that was a very small amount. Beachwood and University Heights were still a village in the 1940's. In the 1940's, the majority of Jews from Glenville started to move to the Heights. That is why all of the synagogues and congregations moved to the Heights in the late late 1940's (1948-1949) into the late 1950's.
Maps - *Jewish Cleveland; The Haymarket to the Heights Look at map 7.


Just because you lived in an old house, doesn't mean you were around when it was built.

They don't build houses if people aren't moving in. You amaze me with your ignorance. Congrats to your father in law. He's just as wrong as you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Heights,_Ohio

I know you don't believe in doing any kind of extra research into anything, no matter how easy the info is to access, but...... UH population increased from 131 to over 2,000 (1600% increase) during the 1920s. Increased again from 2,000 to 6,000 (167% increase) during the 1930s. THis is when people started moving into UH. Your old guy friend was far from a trail blazer. Sorry.

[Cleverfield]

Originally Posted by reretarff

Some people just don't understand why people would rather live in a big brand new house in a safe neighborhood with good schools.

I think the problem is that for too long people in Cleveland have favored that lifestyle over the city, when in reality, cities have so much more to offer in terms of entertainment, culture, community, transportation, vibrancy, etc. Too many people who live in the suburbs think like you "why would anyone who could afford not to live in the city?". In cities like Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, people don't think like that, and look at how attractive and vibrant those cities are. In Cleveland, many suburbanites are afraid of the city, and the city has suffered a great deal as a result. Hopefully that trend is changing, but people like you seem steadfast in maintaining it.

[Marty711]

Originally Posted by Cleverfield

I think the problem is that for too long people in Cleveland have favored that lifestyle over the city, when in reality, cities have so much more to offer in terms of entertainment, culture, community, transportation, vibrancy, etc. Too many people who live in the suburbs think like you "why would anyone who could afford not to live in the city?". In cities like Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, people don't think like that, and look at how attractive and vibrant those cities are. In Cleveland, many suburbanites are afraid of the city, and the city has suffered a great deal as a result. Hopefully that trend is changing, but people like you seem steadfast in maintaining it.

That's entirely true but let's not act like those cities don't have sprawling burbs of their own. They certainly do. Every major city has them.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by Marty711

That's entirely true but let's not act like those cities don't have sprawling burbs of their own. They certainly do. Every major city has them.

There really isn't that much in the way of boring sprawly suburbs in New England (compared to most other regions of the country) and definitely not anywhere within a 30 minute drive of downtown. Most of the suburbs are small towns from way way way back when and still have a lot of character. These places are also just so much more densely populated than Cleveland, it's hard to even compare the two. People living in the city of Cleveland have so much more space than anyone on the east coast could dream of. And they get it for a cheap price.

[1watertiger]

Cleveland collector, don't make assumptions about me. because it just makes me think you're stupid. you have no idea what I do and where I have been but I can assure you I know the city inside and out... by the way, your argument would mean downtown is half west side and half east side. which is asinine my opinion. does that mean when I'm on Broadway Avenue I'm really in New York City?

[reretarff]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

They don't build houses if people aren't moving in. You amaze me with your ignorance. Congrats to your father in law. He's just as wrong as you.

University Heights, Ohio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know you don't believe in doing any kind of extra research into anything, no matter how easy the info is to access, but...... UH population increased from 131 to over 2,000 (1600% increase) during the 1920s. Increased again from 2,000 to 6,000 (167% increase) during the 1930s. THis is when people started moving into UH. Your old guy friend was far from a trail blazer. Sorry.

Were the only people moving to the Heights Jewish? No. Even though a lot of people started moving to the Heights in the late 1920's and 1930's, I'm talking about the Jewish population moving to the Heights, which started in the late 1930's into the late 1950's. We're probably on 2 different topics.

[reretarff]

Originally Posted by Cleverfield

I think the problem is that for too long people in Cleveland have favored that lifestyle over the city, when in reality, cities have so much more to offer in terms of entertainment, culture, community, transportation, vibrancy, etc. Too many people who live in the suburbs think like you "why would anyone who could afford not to live in the city?". In cities like Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, people don't think like that, and look at how attractive and vibrant those cities are. In Cleveland, many suburbanites are afraid of the city, and the city has suffered a great deal as a result. Hopefully that trend is changing, but people like you seem steadfast in maintaining it.

If the city of Cleveland was safe, had good schools, had no crime and had no abandoned houses then I would consider moving there.

[reretarff]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

There really isn't that much in the way of boring sprawly suburbs in New England (compared to most other regions of the country) and definitely not anywhere within a 30 minute drive of downtown. Most of the suburbs are small towns from way way way back when and still have a lot of character. These places are also just so much more densely populated than Cleveland, it's hard to even compare the two. People living in the city of Cleveland have so much more space than anyone on the east coast could dream of. And they get it for a cheap price.

Most cities in New England are safer, cleaner and more densely populated than Cleveland. They also have better schools, so don't forget why people live in Cleveland's suburbs.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by reretarff

Most cities in New England are safer, cleaner and more densely populated than Cleveland. They also have better schools, so don't forget why people live in Cleveland's suburbs.

The schools are key in Cleveland; total disaster and a major money pit.

[Cleverfield]

Originally Posted by Kamms

The schools are key in Cleveland; total disaster and a major money pit.

The standard public schools might be very poor, but if you want good schools, there are good schools available. Campus International, John Hay, Cleveland School of the Arts, Citizens Academy, and coming next year Bard Early College HS are all top notch public or charter school programs that motivated kids, or motivated parents can send their kids to.