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That is definitely not true. Community college students don't even have a guarantee into a Cal State school. Years ago most CC students were a sure transfer to a Cal State U but not since the budget cuts went into effect years ago.
(2) Community college AA/AS-T degree applicants are guaranteed priority admission over all other transfer students when applying to a local or non impacted campus or priority admission consideration to an impacted campus when applying to a CSU baccalaureate (BA) degree program that has been deemed similar to the student’s community college area of emphasis. AA/AS-T Degree Admission
Edited to add: There are even honors programs at the community colleges which, if you complete, have priority admission to a number of schools - UC's, CSU's and privates (including Pomona and Pitzer). https://canadacollege.edu/honorsprog...agreements.php
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Your wrong. A year or so ago when CSU spring admissions were cancelled, the only admitted students were transfers from the California Community Colleges who participated in SB 1440 (AA/AS-T), who were admitted to seven CSU's.
They allow 500 total students? Do you know how quickly those spots will be gone?
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Community college AA/AS-T degree applicants are guaranteed priority admission over all other transfer students when applying to a local or non impacted campus...
Local and non impacted. And if they don't live in that area (e.g. attend Santa Monica College and apply ONLY to UCLA), they don't get in.
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The UC's participating in tag guarantee admission to California Community College students who meet all the requirements.
And if they didn't apply to TAG, they're out of luck. Most 18 year olds don't even know what that is.
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There are even honors programs at the community colleges which, if you complete, have priority admission to a number of schools - UC's, CSU's and privates (including Pomona and Pitzer).
Pomona and Pitzer Colleges? You're talking about students in the top .05% of their class. Rarely does a cc student apply to a private college of this caliber....and it kind of defeats the whole purpose of a cc to begin with, low tuition and fees. And what happens when those cc students are not honor students or don't happen to live in the area?
Those link to the same story and why the "" around merit...do you not understand what it means??
One example from a school close to your house:
Canisius College - Financial Aid net cost after aid is about $14,000 on average. Now this is average--some get more, some get less because that is how averages work, but the base cost of a state school in the same area is $19,000....
The cost of my dd going to cc is less than $5000/year including gas in the car to get her back and forth for school. Even if we'd expect average financial aid (I expect none because her GPA was only 3.0) we're still saving $18K by sending her to cc first and that's nothing so sneeze at. Given that we expect no financial aid and state schools here run around $25K, we're saving more like $40K.
If you understand how averages work, you realize that for a significant percentage of people out there, the cost of going directly to university is considerably higher than average and it has to be considerably lower than average for going to CC first to not be a cost save.
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It matters if they stay in school, not the name on the diploma. Open access schools are basically community colleges....that doesn't mean going to a top 25 is better than going to a school that ranks 237....amazingly people from all over the country get jobs out of college, jobs in their fields, and make a good living....not all of them graduated from Harvard, Yale and Dartmouth.
Exactly this. A kid who goes to a "name brand" university, public or private, and can't handle it and so flunks out by the end of his/her freshman year is NOT better off than his/her classmate who attended a CC or some small private liberal arts college and graduated with a degree. If a school isn't a good match for a particular student, his/her chances of success disappear.
Exactly this. A kid who goes to a "name brand" university, public or private, and can't handle it and so flunks out by the end of his/her freshman year is NOT better off than his/her classmate who attended a CC or some small private liberal arts college and graduated with a degree. If a school isn't a good match for a particular student, his/her chances of success disappear.
I'm living proof that a cc can help you get ready for that name brand university. There is no way I would have made it through my first year had I gone directly to university. I needed the extra teaching of a cc to get going. I needed to develop the study skills to succeed and I needed some success under my belt. I also needed financial aid. My time at cc gave me all of the above and won me a transfer scholarship that paid for the remainder of my engineering education at a well known private school.
Local and non impacted. And if they don't live in that area (e.g. attend Santa Monica College and apply ONLY to UCLA), they don't get in.
Maybe they'll get in to UCLA, maybe they won't, they just don't have priority admission. My advice to transfer students is the same as what I would advise any college applicant....send out numerous applications including your safety (which for all students would be the college in your priority area).
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And if they didn't apply to TAG, they're out of luck. Most 18 year olds don't even know what that is.
All community college students should know about TAG and AA/AS-T and other transfer procedures. The colleges do talk about it at the required orientation workshop, I noticed it's on the agenda for discussion at the CC Welcome Day for incoming students this semester, and most likely all CC's have a Transfer Club.
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Pomona and Pitzer Colleges? You're talking about students in the top .05% of their class. Rarely does a cc student apply to a private college of this caliber....and it kind of defeats the whole purpose of a cc to begin with, low tuition and fees. And what happens when those cc students are not honor students or don't happen to live in the area?
The list included a variety of colleges (high ranking/expensive to UC's and CSU's). The students from my D's high school who are attending Community college range from very high academics (two turned down UC Berkeley, just couldn't afford 4 years there, one turned down one of the Claremonts, another turned down UCLA/UCSD and a few privates) and students with lower GPA's. And, if they meet the requirements for AA/AS-T, the students will have priority transfer to our local CSU or a non-impacted CSU (or they can make other choices. As I said previously, there are a variety of options for community college students to transfer).
The cost of my dd going to cc is less than $5000/year including gas in the car to get her back and forth for school. Even if we'd expect average financial aid (I expect none because her GPA was only 3.0) we're still saving $18K by sending her to cc first and that's nothing so sneeze at. Given that we expect no financial aid and state schools here run around $25K, we're saving more like $40K.
If you understand how averages work, you realize that for a significant percentage of people out there, the cost of going directly to university is considerably higher than average and it has to be considerably lower than average for going to CC first to not be a cost save.
If you understand how college funding works, financial aid is based on your finances, not your GPA. If she had done better in high school, she could have gotten MERIT aid, based on her GPA and test scores. If she did well enough on her ACT, she could still get some merit aid at some private schools, who knows, you didn't look into that since you have been saying since she was 12 that she would go the CC route. Her CC is still more than our kids are paying...
All community college students should know about TAG and... other transfer procedures....The students from my D's high school who are attending Community college range from very high academics...As I said previously, there are a variety of options for community college students to transfer.
The students we work with come out of alternative ed; mostly Title I kids. They're fortunate to obtain all 12 units at one cc. The regular ed kids I know in their early 20s are having a heck of a time just getting the classes they need to finish the 60 credits--which has taken all of them well over two years--to transfer to one of the non-impacted Cal States.
The students we work with come out of alternative ed; mostly Title I kids. They're fortunate to obtain all 12 units at one cc. The regular ed kids I know in their early 20s are having a heck of a time just getting the classes they need to finish the 60 credits--which has taken all of them well over two years--to transfer to one of the non-impacted Cal States.
It's difficult to get classes at all California public colleges - Community, CSU's and UC's. We expected difficulties (maybe they'll be later on), but my daughter signed up for classes at CC in May, with no problem. In late July she changed one of her classes, and again had no trouble filling it at that time slot with the class that she wanted (at 8 AM). On the other hand, D's boyfriend who attends the same college has had difficulties. He works several days a week in the afternoon, so doesn't take classes ending later than 12:30 or so, but he also doesn't want early classes starting too much before 9:45 ! He has had difficulty getting the classes he needs/wants, but so far has been able to maintain being a full time student (12+ credits) .
My son's attending one of the CSU's and because of the difficulty of getting classes we hear of students having to crash classes hoping to get in at the beginning of each semester, and many of the students take summer classes at community colleges (on campus or on-line). My friends daughter had difficulty getting her last class at a CSU which was only offered in the spring and needed anatomy (preferably human). She ended up in an anatomy class relating to animals.
I did community college to university. I knew where I planned to transfer to one semesters before I was done when I was finishing up major courses. I only needed one course to graduate (a lab science) but I still needed to re-take two courses to transfer in. I kind of bugged me in a way but I was fine with it and ended up with an A and a B respectfully. It still was a relatively "easy" semester for my last in community college.
Is community college "easier" than university, yes. Smaller classes so professors know who you are in the 100/200 level courses rather than in university where you have 100-400 students depending on how big the class is. I knew a good handful of the students just from my freshman dorm in a 100 level history course I took in my first university eight years ago. However let's also remember that we also don't typically see 300 and 400 level courses in community colleges. FYI, 300 and 400 level courses can be tough at times depending on how it's taught.
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! He has had difficulty getting the classes he needs/wants, but so far has been able to maintain being a full time student (12+ credits) . 
