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Morehouse, Spelman, Howard, and Fisk are all prestigious schools that give their students a superior education. Not all traditionally white schools that are considered top notch are well known either. For instance, how many have ever heard of Williams? It's the same deal. Enough people chose Williams over Harvard to keep the school thriving, despite fishing in the same gene pool.
Two kinds of HBSU's. The ones above are private colleges that appeal to middle class and upper middle class black families. They offer quality education and have before and after segregation. They are the elite, but their admission standards are not oppressive like say Duke, Georgetown or Amherst. More like an above average liberal arts college. The students at the top of their classes often turned down elite colleges to experience education in a HBSU setting and are among the most talented students in the country, but those in the middle or bottom are your typical slightly above average liberal arts college students.
The other kind is usually starving for resources, cater to remedial education, and has mostly a poor student body. Many of these were started as basically shams so states could claim that the public university system for blacks were equal, thus they could bar them from the white colleges. Some ended up as pretty good schools like Florida A&M. Many are among the worst public universities in America.
If by prestigious you mean a good education, strengthening environment, and uplifting atmosphere, then yes HBCUs are prestigious. If you are comparing the reputation of an HBCU with that of an ivy, then no I wouldn't say they are. BUT, we live in America, a nation founded on white supremacy with a strong history and presence of discrimination. So, even though HBCUs offer a stellar education, can you really expect them to be justifiably recognized as competitive institutions in comparison to the "first-borns" of this nation? Reputation does not always equal reality. Simultaneously, it is important to recognize that HBCUs have a record of producing very many Black professionals and corporate workers, preparedly. And at the end of the day, the results of education are dependent on the student, you get what you give. Also, every person that works in corporate America, has a good job or makes a lot of money, did not come from an ivy. Please don't forget that. Ivy League reputation only goes so far, at some point the student has to fend for his or her self. And both an HBCU and an Ivy are equipped to prepare that student for the task. It really depends on the type of environment the student is looking for.
I hope you are not trying to imply that all HBCUs offer a "stellar education."
There are HBCUs that have some cache, like Morehouse, etc. But even the best ones can't compete with places like Harvard or Stanford and such when it comes to prestige.
Are you serious?? These joke schools (most of them) with low quality students can't even compete with regular state universities, and I am not even talking about flagship state universities.
Are you serious?? These joke schools (most of them) with low quality students can't even compete with regular state universities, and I am not even talking about flagship state universities.
Did you mean to quote me? I didn't say anything that contradicts your opinion. I said SOME have a bit of prestige, but even those that have it do not have Harvard-type prestige.
That has nothing to do with the quality of students at MOST HBCUs.
Did you mean to quote me? I didn't say anything that contradicts your opinion. I said SOME have a bit of prestige, but even those that have it do not have Harvard-type prestige.
That has nothing to do with the quality of students at MOST HBCUs.
In any case, some HBCUs are fine.
Compare the quality of students at the TOP HBCUs (Howard, Morehouse, etc.) to the University of Maryland, University of Georgia, University of Florida, etc. and you will see that the state schools are WAY superior. Why is Harvard even dragged into this conversation?
Compare the quality of students at the TOP HBCUs (Howard, Morehouse, etc.) to the University of Maryland, University of Georgia, University of Florida, etc. and you will see that the state schools are WAY superior. Why is Harvard even dragged into this conversation?
Once again, you are arguing things I didn't say and are not even close to making a dent in the point I was making.
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I think depending on what your major is and what field you intend on going into and where you plan on living after graduation, they can be a great choice if they fit right.
Harvard isn't right for everyone (curriculum wise, culturally and environment wise) and Howard isn't for everyone (same reasons).
HBCU's offer great networking and may offer a level of support that may help you succeed academically as a black man/woman
You are familiar with the concept of "Rhetorical Question," I trust.
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BUT, we live in America, a nation founded on white supremacy with a strong history and presence of discrimination. So, even though HBCUs offer a stellar education, can you really expect them to be justifiably recognized as competitive institutions in comparison to the "first-borns" of this nation? Reputation does not always equal reality.
Maybe the SAT scores posted above indeed address the question of reality, which Agent-14 seems to think is out of alignment with perception . . .
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