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I would like your opinion of this debate, without any nonsense.
I know some community colleges can be cheaper but at the same time they make you take these silly developmental classes which are at high school level, or maybe middle school level. If you took those classes while in high school, why do you gotta take them again in CC? Now, they make you fork over money for those. And, what's the difference between high school and community college Biology?
At least with schools like University of Phoenix, they probably cut through all the developmental course junk and jump straight to the training.
They'll find other ways to get your money, don't worry. However, you have a good point about the developmental courses. Instead of just giving up on the cc, find out the rules for NOT taking those classes. What tests can you take and submit and what scores do you need to not take dev classes? Find the test, find the practice tests, find the test prep books, and PREP. Lots cheaper than an extra year or two in school. Every school has some way out of the tests - you need to find it and exploit it.
I would like your opinion of this debate, without any nonsense.
I know some community colleges can be cheaper but at the same time they make you take these silly developmental classes which are at high school level, or maybe middle school level. If you took those classes while in high school, why do you gotta take them again in CC? Now, they make you fork over money for those. And, what's the difference between high school and community college Biology?
At least with schools like University of Phoenix, they probably cut through all the developmental course junk and jump straight to the training.
"Developmental" is usually used to refer to remedial courses. These are courses that are below College Algebra and English Comp I. Those who score high enough on the SAT, ACT, Accuplacer, Compass, or similar test don't have to take developmental/remedial courses. At UoP, you do take intro courses in the social sciences, humanities, sciences, etc. for the general education requirements. However, UoP does not offer remedial courses since they don't require placement tests in the first place. That is where much of the problem lies. UoP will admit mentally challenged individuals and dump them right into college-level courses. UoP will also charge you $1,185 for an intro to university studies course at the associate's level or $1,755 for a foundation of university studies course at the bachelor's level. $1,755 will cover almost one year at my local community colleges.
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Originally Posted by NJBest
UoP, you don't interact with the professors in person.
That is only true if you attend online. UoP DOES have ground students.
Yes, but the training you get will not be from a regionally accredited school and will most likely not get you a job.
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Originally Posted by AGG1659
Don't waste your money with a "For-Profit" Nationally accredited BS school. You want a school that is regionally accredited and will allow you to transfer easily and most of the time seamlessly to a 4 year University.
In high school, you study under a science teacher with a biology textbook. In college, you study under a biologist with a PhD and many years of dedication to the field.
In CA, an instructor may teach community college with only a Master's degree, and that's true in many other states as well.
However, I agree with a big NO to the U of Phoenix, or any other for-profit college.
"Developmental" is usually used to refer to remedial courses. These are courses that are below College Algebra and English Comp I. Those who score high enough on the SAT, ACT, Accuplacer, Compass, or similar test don't have to take developmental/remedial courses. At UoP, you do take intro courses in the social sciences, humanities, sciences, etc. for the general education requirements. However, UoP does not offer remedial courses since they don't require placement tests in the first place. That is where much of the problem lies. UoP will admit mentally challenged individuals and dump them right into college-level courses. UoP will also charge you $1,185 for an intro to university studies course at the associate's level or $1,755 for a foundation of university studies course at the bachelor's level. $1,755 will cover almost one year at my local community colleges.
This is the bad thing about schools with zero admissions standards. Usually schools demand such things because they don't want you to fail the real course. On the other hand, I ran in to a CC that was ridiculous to the extreme. Back when I was in school I had failed Calculus, mainly because it was at 8:00 am MWF(yes, I should have dropped it). I had already taken and passed classes like Applied Mathematics, Discrete Math, and Linear Algebra, all I needed was this Calculus class to fulfill my math requirements. I wanted to take it over again in the summer, and so I went to the local CC and applied for the class. The Math dean refused to seat me in the class. His reason? "You already failed it once, you need remedial classes to prove that you can do the work". Apparently passing other 300+ level math courses was not enough in his eyes. After an half hour of arguing I simply gave up and took a SOC class instead.
Another bad thing about UoP is that you don't have the option of cheaply buying or renting used textbooks. I got most of my textbooks for CC courses for under $50. UoP will charge you $90-95 per course for electronic materials regardless.
Who says not for profit or non-profit means nobody profits? I'm not a big U of P supporter but at least they don't pretend that they're not making any money.
That is only true if you attend online. UoP DOES have ground students.
True. My mistake. I suppose that studying under a top professor in a specific field at UoP can yield a solid college education.
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