11-12-2012, 01:56 AM
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I am confident that legalization will reduce crime and gang violence. That's a big plus.
This is going to sound like a complete non-sequitur at first, but there is a reason I'm bringing it up. Want to know what has become the target of many break-ins and burglaries, including some where the thieves smashed up the walls in an attempt to get the goods?
Hair extensions. Perfectly legal hair extensions.
Hair Extension Thefts on the Rise - NYTimes.com
Chicago Hair Extension Theft Involves Battering Through Walls, Dodging Motion Detectors
$230K worth of hair extensions stolen from beauty supply store - Chicago Sun-Times
In other words, something that is legal is now the subject of _rising_ crime.
Making pot legal is not going to reduce crime. As long as there is money to be made, criminals are still going to be involved. The only way you would reduce crime is by getting everyone to lose interest in pot -- then no one would be buying it, so there would be no money to be made, and no point for gangs to have anything to do with it. But as long as people want it, criminals will try to be involved in the trade.
(And if you were referring to the idea that suddenly gangs would all start smoking and be too high to be violent, you know that's not going to happen.)
11-12-2012, 06:54 AM
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This is going to sound like a complete non-sequitur at first, but there is a reason I'm bringing it up. Want to know what has become the target of many break-ins and burglaries, including some where the thieves smashed up the walls in an attempt to get the goods?
Hair extensions. Perfectly legal hair extensions.
Hair Extension Thefts on the Rise - NYTimes.com
Chicago Hair Extension Theft Involves Battering Through Walls, Dodging Motion Detectors
$230K worth of hair extensions stolen from beauty supply store - Chicago Sun-Times
In other words, something that is legal is now the subject of _rising_ crime.
Making pot legal is not going to reduce crime. As long as there is money to be made, criminals are still going to be involved. The only way you would reduce crime is by getting everyone to lose interest in pot -- then no one would be buying it, so there would be no money to be made, and no point for gangs to have anything to do with it. But as long as people want it, criminals will try to be involved in the trade.
(And if you were referring to the idea that suddenly gangs would all start smoking and be too high to be violent, you know that's not going to happen.)
Are we having much trouble with bootleg liquor these days?
Hair extensions aren't under a regulation as liquor is and cannabis will be. Hair extension robberies are hardly analogous to potential crime involving a regulated & controlled product.
11-12-2012, 06:57 AM
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The sky is falling in the Netherlands. They are tightening up their laws as we speak and making changes as drug dealers have overwhelmed the streets and the drug tourism business has gotten out of control. The changes could end up banning foreigners from entering cannabis cafes. There are a variety of local laws on the books now as well as national ones being formulated. In addition many towns and cities are finding ways to shut down cannabis cafes.
Cannabis is NOT decriminalized and never has been in the Netherlands. Possessing it or cultivating is still a crime, just that law enforcement overlooks small quantities.
The big issue is that cannabis is not what it was 40 years ago. The THC levels are off the charts in comparison and the Dutch and their long known tolerance is running out with all the potheads stumbling around in a stupor on the streets.
So it's kinda of funny, the Dutch let it slide for a while like Colorado is trying to do and it ended up being a bigger problem then before along with a huge cost to the community. More drug trafficking, more drug dealers, more potheads in a stupor, more health issues.
Cannabis does inhibit social interaction between people because it impairs their judgment and motor skills. It's a drug that has an effect on the brain and not a good one either. The "greatest minds in history" were not potheads. And if they did smoke pot, it wasn't the refined drug it is now with skyhigh THC levels. Cannabis is about 40 times stronger now than the plant used in the 1960's by pothead hippies. As I said previously potheads seem to think they are these enlightened whimsical people thanks to pot, they just don't realize that it sounds like incoherent babbling to those of us that are sober.
Wanneroo, you regurgitate the same tired old reefer madness arguments that continue to be laid in front of everyone like a flea infested old rug.
Get serious and find some facts. Your continued wild claims just make you look sillier & sillier.
If you want credibility, try backing it up some time if you know how. I mean, you do know about Google, don't you?
11-12-2012, 09:09 AM
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99% of what I see in these posts are from people who are using pot illegally and post incessantly to justify that it's OK for them to continue to use pot. It's pretty much the rationalization that alcoholics use to justify continuing drinking: just keeping saying to oneself, "It's OK, it's OK," and the user starts to believe his own BS after awhile. Making pot legal just gives the potheads one more reason to justify continuing using.
As to the "it brings in tax revenue" argument, well, why don't we make prostitution down to age 16 legal, too, and tax it? That would bring in lots of tax revenue, as well--the hell with the unpleasant side effects, right? Letting the johns have fun is what it's all about. And as to reducing criminal activity and the cartels? Well, cartels and the lower level creeps that they support (a lot of them illegal immigrants--another little "inconvenient truth" that the pro-immigration crowd dodges all the time) already have control of a lot of the production and distribution infrastructure. They won't give that up readily. In fact, were pot to be legalized nationally, at least for some extended period of time, it would make their operations more profitable and powerful--the cartels won't have to worry about paying off the Border Patrol or operating an expensive clandestine distribution chain. They can take the money they save and use it to intimidate and shake down "legitimate" producers that might try to compete with them. Without federal legalization and with only a couple of states with recreational pot legal, the cartels will continue business as usual--with all the criminal sleazebags continuing to be supported by "legal" Colorado stoners.
The pro pot crowd is so busy wanting to get their weed and smoke it, that they can't think clearly about any of the inconvenient implications of what they want--legal or not. Typical of self-centered, hedonistic stoners who only can think about their next high.
11-12-2012, 09:27 AM
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Jazz, it's been decriminalized in most states for years now.
This means that a adult can posses a ounce in their home.
The fine if you got caught with it (some how) is only $200 and it carry's NO jail time or confiscation.
It is a Petty misdemeanor this does not constitute a crime as there is no jail time associated with it.
I don't need to justify it in any way.
A residency clause is interesting .
I can not break the law of the state of MN when I'm in Co.
Jazz, it will hit the carrells right in the pocket book.
This will remove any incentive.
Some will still try to operate outside of the law and i'k sure that will come with it's own set of consequences
The LEGAL availability will drive down the price, and the NEW tax will drive it back up so there could still be a black-market demand. i guess we'll find out wouldn't we.
And with out a physical addiction it's easy to wait.
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11-12-2012, 09:35 AM
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drunks and potheads
Funny that most of what I read about marijuana is against potheads. A pothead is some one that habitually smokes pot . Everything said about some one that smokes too much pot could be said about some one that is a drunk. Most people that drink are not drunks and most people that smoke pot are not potheads. Anyone that that constantly takes a drug will be messed up. Most the people in my life that are dying from drugs , are dying from legal pills...
11-12-2012, 09:38 AM
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Jazz, it's been decriminalized in most states for years now.
This means that a adult can posses a ounce in their home.
The fine if you got caught with it (some how) is only $200 and it carry's NO jail time or confiscation.
It is a Petty misdemeanor this does not constitute a crime as there is no jail time associated with it.
I don't need to justify it in any way.
Now the residency clause is interesting and unAmericana.
I can not break the law of the state of MN when I'm in Co.
Yeah, and thank you for supporting the Mexican drug cartels that are raising hell with this whole part of the country. Maybe if the cartel people would only shoot the people who are using their product, instead of whomever happens to get in their way, things might be different.
11-12-2012, 09:47 AM
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I was thinking of moving to Colorado before this new law . The bad part about this new law is people with Colorado license plates will probably be hassled by the cops when driving in other states .
11-12-2012, 09:51 AM
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timber mt wrote: The bad part about this new law is people with Colorado license plates will probably be hassled by the cops when driving in other states
Especially when the cop doing the
hassling needs to replenish his personal stash.
11-12-2012, 10:32 AM
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Nope, a local farmer, a American, subsidizing their income.
America is the biggest producer of pot.
Then most of it comes in from Canada, think BC.
Very little if any in my area comes from Mexico.
Cocaine, herion and meth are the money makers for the cartels.
pot is just a sideline for them and it makes up just a fraction of their business.
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Yeah, and thank you for supporting the Mexican drug cartels that are raising hell with this whole part of the country. Maybe if the cartel people would only shoot the people who are using their product, instead of whomever happens to get in their way, things might be different.
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Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)