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In Israel, young men are required to perform military service for at least a short duration of time. I am completely in favor of this. People should have to go through some process which forces them to understand what it takes to sacrifice for their way of life, therefore develop an appreciation of it and respect for it. Not enough people in our society anymore understand or respect that correlation.
I like the idea of mandatory service for everyone ( no exemptions period! ). If it was up to me, I'd offer a non military option as well. Having been in the military I can honestly say that the military is not everyones cup of tea. It ceratainly wasn't for me, and I am an extremely self discplined individual. My skills and temperament would have been far better suited to non-military service, and the government would have gotten more bang for their buck.
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I lost my job a few years back with no severance. I claimed unemployment for several weeks - went to the mountains, skied all day and looked for work at night. I guess I could be considered a sponge. I never really felt guilty though. I felt like I had paid into it over the years and was using it to keep my sanity in a rough time while looking for another high paying job. I easily could've found some ski-bum job to support myself. I eventually found a good job again and look fondly back on my very brief ski-bum time. But in a sense, I'm almost as guilty as the people being mentioned - "Woo Hoo, I got my unemployment check! Time to take take some turns!"
I've did the same thing when I got out of the AirForce. In my mind, the government OWED me a short vacation, though it certainly wasn't an all-expenses paid vacation. Anyone who pays into it has every right in the book to take advantage of unemployment compensation should the need/opportunity arise.
I am a staunch believer in capitalism, and one of the main tenets of capitalism is to accrue wealth throughout one's life. Now what is done with that wealth I believe should be the sole decision of the person that made the money in the first place. Personally I believe not one single dime of inheritance or accrued savings should ever go to the federal governement. If you made your money honestly, you've already been extensively taxed on the money you have made.
I agree completely, again, I think you've got me all wrong. I am not a socialist or a communist; I'm a staunch capitalist and fiscal conservative myself. I don't have a problem with people making money on their terms or spending it as they wish. What I have a problem with is people who don't earn anything and merely coast through life supported by the finances and efforts of others. That's my issue.
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The money doesn't make a person bad, the parenting does. If you're a sleaze of a father, you will most likely have a giant sleaze of a son. Though not always, there are exceptions to every rule.
Exactly. And that's really the gist of my argument, that there isn't enough guidance or proper upbringing being provided for far too many people in this country, and that's where this stuff comes from. Lack of values and priorities are passed on from generation to generation, and before you know it you have a country full of spoiled, whiny victims like we have now.
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An individual that constantly purchases goods and services while not taking a job away from someone that needs it? As far as an economy goes, you couldn't ask for more than that in a resident.
Simply spending money without producing anything of value in its place doesn't help anyone economically in the long run, & eventually it's hurtful. Our economy now is in the shape it's in because it became 70% dependent on consumer spending, and we're now a nation of spenders rather than savers, importers rather than exporters, wasters rather than producers. If that's what capitalism's become, simply spending money on depreciating junk, then it's got a short future. I like it far better the way that it used to be 50 years ago.
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I am certain there are other countries that have fiscal policies that would make you feel like everything should be nice and fair...
Again, you've got me all wrong. See above. I think the only thing that's fair is that you get what you work for, and you get to keep as much of it as you want. I don't think anyone ought to be entitled to anything they didn't work for. That's socialism.
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I do not see a fundemental difference in our opinion. I basically agree with everything you have to say. As far as people coasting through life without having fiscally earned their way I suppose is where I diverge. Just because a person does not work or work full time does not mean they are a useful or contributing part of society, unless they are literally a bum or addicted to the welfare system. It's not a simple issue to be sure. I mean, there were trust funders or whatever you'd like to call them 50 years ago too, right? I doubt highly that as a group their general outlook has changed that much. I personally do not have a trust fund, and i don't see any sort of need to be disparaging to those that do, no matter how they go about using it. I suppose ultimately I believe in Choice. If you choose to do something, and it is not harmful to other people and by extension now the environment, by all means go for it I won't hate on you. Live your life. When a person develops a superior attitude due to daddy or mommy's money, well that's a whole seperate issue I think.
I do not see a fundemental difference in our opinion. I basically agree with everything you have to say. As far as people coasting through life without having fiscally earned their way I suppose is where I diverge. Just because a person does not work or work full time does not mean they are a useful or contributing part of society, unless they are literally a bum or addicted to the welfare system. It's not a simple issue to be sure. I mean, there were trust funders or whatever you'd like to call them 50 years ago too, right? I doubt highly that as a group their general outlook has changed that much. I personally do not have a trust fund, and i don't see any sort of need to be disparaging to those that do, no matter how they go about using it. I suppose ultimately I believe in Choice. If you choose to do something, and it is not harmful to other people and by extension now the environment, by all means go for it I won't hate on you. Live your life. When a person develops a superior attitude due to daddy or mommy's money, well that's a whole seperate issue I think.
Agreed . I think the thing is that the more time you actually spend in ski towns (which you may or may not do very frequently), the more you'd understand why these types of people would be annoying to those of us who live out this way. The "superior attitude" and air of entitlement of which you speak is rampant in a place like Telluride, or really just pick any skitown, U.S.A. They're all basically the same anymore. Ritzy resort towns are magnets for brats, and it gets under your skin.
Hello...I am looking for some advice on relocating... I'm going to tell you ahead of time my typing is bad at best and I will probably spell things wrong a few times..please just bear with me...I am moving to Co. Soon in the next 3 months with my 3 boys 18-21who have been hard workers since a very young age. My husband has built inground pools and various forms of construction for 25 years... I have 26 years of floral design exp. Wedding specialist, and bar tending... Looking to get near Telluride... What to stay out of city, crime, etc. 5 hard workers looking to start new and contribute positive energy to the beutiful nature and people of this state... Any advice.. Where to stay away from... Cabins for rent sleeping 4-5, year round? I really don't need advice on my boys becoming ski bums etc.. They were home schooled, worked hard for all they have, and come from a hard working, Native American Christian, foundation, and where they go on thier journey from here is between them and the Great Spirit... I am an Herbalist and Healor as well and would really love advice on Ouray, Mountian village, Rico etc. We are blue collar but as a team we are a strong force... Thank you for your kindness... Soring Eagle, LENNI LENAPE
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Hello...I am looking for some advice on relocating... I'm going to tell you ahead of time my typing is bad at best and I will probably spell things wrong a few times..please just bear with me...I am moving to Co. Soon in the next 3 months with my 3 boys 18-21who have been hard workers since a very young age. My husband has built inground pools and various forms of construction for 25 years... I have 26 years of floral design exp. Wedding specialist, and bar tending... Looking to get near Telluride... What to stay out of city, crime, etc. 5 hard workers looking to start new and contribute positive energy to the beutiful nature and people of this state... Any advice.. Where to stay away from... Cabins for rent sleeping 4-5, year round? I really don't need advice on my boys becoming ski bums etc.. They were home schooled, worked hard for all they have, and come from a hard working, Native American Christian, foundation, and where they go on thier journey from here is between them and the Great Spirit... I am an Herbalist and Healor as well and would really love advice on Ouray, Mountian village, Rico etc. We are blue collar but as a team we are a strong force... Thank you for your kindness... Soring Eagle, LENNI LENAPE
Well, if you like a town that is hideously expensive, has historically embraced illicit drug use, has an economic base tied to trustifarians--well, then Telluride is your place!
Telluride (and its environs) may be a lot "neat" things (mostly the scenery), but it is no "normal' town sociologically, and anyone who says it is probably needs some serious counseling. And before some smart*** accuses me of not knowing of what I speak, I've spent time around that area for about 40 years now, and my ex in-laws grew up in Telluride--they left before the "beautiful people" showed up, and seldom go back there, even for a visit.
Ouray is a little more "normal," but still way overpriced for anyone who actually thinks they are going to make a living there.
I have known my share of trust funders in the Boston area (always worked for Harvard affiliates) and I've seen that they can be utter wastrels (anyone who throws out extra cocaine is an wastrel...) and if they are raised in the New England "old money" attitude, they are productive, decent people. I've met the decent ones in jobs,yes, they don't need the money, but their parents rose them to expect to be productive, to be good at something, to do more than get high and go sailing and all. Of course, they usually had everything important paid for (college, car, condo) and they didn't have to fear anything along those lines, but they still expected to find an intelligent useful way to structure their time.
The wastrels, well, a friend of mine married one. Big into the country club, getting her nails done, lunching with friends. And their daughter is the same way, going to college for multiple degrees they'll never use and being quite materialistic. My friend's wife was given *monogrammed fur coats* for her teenage birthdays. Tacky on too many levels to count.
I do think those who earn a lot of money and fortune really enjoy it. Those who inherit it need to be carefully raised or else they can go sour, and can afford some fancy mess.
Well, if you like a town that is hideously expensive, has historically embraced illicit drug use, has an economic base tied to trustifarians--well, then Telluride is your place!
Telluride (and its environs) may be a lot "neat" things (mostly the scenery), but it is no "normal' town sociologically, and anyone who says it is probably needs some serious counseling. And before some smart*** accuses me of not knowing of what I speak, I've spent time around that area for about 40 years now, and my ex in-laws grew up in Telluride--they left before the "beautiful people" showed up, and seldom go back there, even for a visit.
Ouray is a little more "normal," but still way overpriced for anyone who actually thinks they are going to make a living there.
Here's my two cents- Jazzlover is very correct!! Most all ski towns in the west aren't composed of large numbers and varieties of "normal" full-time people. Not only that, the very high costs, the lack of a variety of services, the high drug use, and the "seasonal" business. I think these areas are very good for vacation or part-time living but sometimes not so great for full-time living. As others have said, the "rat race" can be even a "bigger" rat race in some of these small ski towns.
There is a pro though. You do buy some property there and the value will only go up. So, that's good. If you OWN the building of your rest., that will only go up as well.
It may be for you but it sure isn't for everybody. And you are married. So, that's a plus as well.
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You do buy some property there and the value will only go up.
Where have I heard that before?
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Anyone who pays into it has every right in the book to take advantage of unemployment compensation should the need/opportunity arise.
. I think the thing is that the more time you actually spend in ski towns (which you may or may not do very frequently), the more you'd understand why these types of people would be annoying to those of us who live out this way. The "superior attitude" and air of entitlement of which you speak is rampant in a place like Telluride, or really just pick any skitown, U.S.A. They're all basically the same anymore. Ritzy resort towns are magnets for brats, and it gets under your skin.
