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I LOVE vinyl and wish everyone would go back to analog mastering so that we could get the full benefit of new music on vinyl. I know some of the newer artists are putting their stuff on vinyl, but it still comes from digital masters.
All things being equal and a decent sound system that can actually bring out the difference with vinyl 99% of consumers aren't going to be able to tell the difference between vinyl and a CD that is 80's tech. Of course digital sound has come a long way since with far better formats that haven't gone mainstream because CD is "good enough". Ironically though with downloads due to bandwidth considerations it's gone backwards.
It's not the digital format ruining these recordings but the engineers, they drive up the amplification but they lose all the dynamics and nuances. Granted using youtube examples isn't exactly ideal but it will get the point across.
I own a couple of fairly refined hi-fis ( tube electronics, electrostatic speakers, good record playing gear) and though I enjoy playing records I hear no sonic advantage. Comparing the SACDs of Reiner and the CSO with the original RCA Shaded Dog LPs I hear no advantage of one format over the other. Same thing when comparing CDs of Mercury Living Presence recordings with the original LPs.
I do most of my listening to Apple Lossless files in the cloud through an Apple TV to an outboard DAC and then the hi-fi. I'm listening to Reiner and the CSO's Scheherazade that way right now, sounds great.
All things being equal and a decent sound system that can actually bring out the difference with vinyl 99% of consumers aren't going to be able to tell the difference between vinyl and a CD that is 80's tech. Of course digital sound has come a long way since with far better formats that haven't gone mainstream because CD is "good enough". Ironically though with downloads due to bandwidth considerations it's gone backwards.
It's not the digital format ruining these recordings but the engineers, they drive up the amplification but they lose all the dynamics and nuances. Granted using youtube examples isn't exactly ideal but it will get the point across.
Very true! The "loudness wars"! Death Magnetic from Metallica is a perfect example, but I have also heard the engineers basically wanted to produce DM just like their "Justice" album - which was heavy bass and kick drum, but since it was an all digital mastering, the sound came out heavily clipped. I just know that the Justice album sounds much cleaner than DM, even with the heavy bass and kick drum.
All things being equal and a decent sound system that can actually bring out the difference with vinyl 99% of consumers aren't going to be able to tell the difference between vinyl and a CD that is 80's tech.
Yes and its sad they cant... (Makes it harder for ppl like ME who can and know what really IS BETTER)
Yes and its sad they cant... (Makes it harder for ppl like ME who can and know what really IS BETTER)
There is certainly arguments that can be made about CD but that's 80's tech and if you're talking about MP3's those are compressed and that's a whole other topic. If I sat you down with a well mastered DVD audio disc you'd never tell the difference and that is just fact unless you're going to suggest you're superhuman.
The limitations of digital over vinyl is the sample rate and and how many sounds it can reproduce. For example a CD which is 44kHz/16 bit can reproduce 64K different sounds 44,000 times a second. DVD audio on the other hand is 192kHz/24 bit and can reproduce almost 17 million different sounds 192K times in a second.
When you consider how accurately a CD can reproduce sound what does that tell you about a format that is 260 times as accurate at four times the rate? You're outside the arena of human perception...
She looks beautiful!! (Looks like a 70s player) -- Has all 4 speeds (16/33/45 and 78) -- I havent ever had a player with 16!!
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Originally Posted by harry chickpea
We had a 1953 Zenith console model L2287RU that had a turntable like the one shown here
Our neighbors when I was a kid had a similar turntable/AM-FM console. The snake eyes and the shape of the Cobra tone arm used to scare the crap out of me. Us kids liked the way you could change the record speed gradually (or not!) while the records were playing just by sliding the lever around. Fortunately, that was just with our kiddie records. Once we started buying our own 45s and LPs, we quit that practice immediately!
I LOVE vinyl and wish everyone would go back to analog mastering so that we could get the full benefit of new music on vinyl. I know some of the newer artists are putting their stuff on vinyl, but it still comes from digital masters.
Not always. There are lots of 'all analogue' new and reissued vinyl titles available. I'll pass on just about any digitally sourced vinyl so I feel your pain.
All NEW vinyl is trash!! (Just the digital master recorded on it. NO BETTER SOUND THAN A CD)
A digital master is superior to CD by a factor of hundreds, see my post above on CD vs. DVD audio as an example.
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Us kids liked the way you could change the record speed gradually (or not!) while the records were playing just by sliding the lever around. Fortunately, that was just with our kiddie records. Once we started buying our own 45s and LPs, we quit that practice immediately!
