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Right, so those school coaches and Boy Scout leaders who invite boys on "special" trips or overnights outside of school/Scouting hours and molest them are in no violation of professional ethics, none at all.
On whose planet?!
Get a clue; it's not ok to use a job that puts you into contact with minors to gain access to and ID potential targets for sexual activity, then schedule that activity for "after hours".
They are in no violation of professional ethics in terms of seeing the boys outside of their team.
They would be in violation of professional ethics if the child is forced.
My own personal opinion: There has to be a line drawn somewhere, in oder to set limits. As a male teacher, I find that student/teacher physical relationships are wrong. PERIOD! No if's, and's, or but's. After graduation, when the student is no longer under a position of power/authority from the teacher, then all's fair, but definitely not during.
As for outside the student/teacher relationship, where do you draw the line? What's legal in one state for a couple to get married could get them arrested in another state if they moved. That is totally wrong. I'm not sure there could ever be a "fair" and universal law for our country. Maturity is varied and subjective - and not just for the younger partner. So I personally couldn't answer your question, but it is assumed that states would draw a line somewhere - and it will never be fair in all cases.
Why does there have to be a line drawn anywhere?
Why can't it just be that if the person is forced, it's wrong and if it's consenual, it's OK?
This really shouldn't be an issue the government concerns itself with, but you know the government always needs to butt into everything, since they want to control you.
And a high school or college student/teacher relationship could still work legally, since both people would be of "age."
They are in no violation of professional ethics in terms of seeing the boys outside of their team.
They would be in violation of professional ethics if the child is forced.
That's not the way various courts have seen it, in cases where former students (well into adulthood when lawsuits were filed) sued schools that failed to protect students from predatory teachers that would lure the students to their home. You really don't know what you're talking about.
That's not the way various courts have seen it, in cases where former students (well into adulthood when lawsuits were filed) sued schools that failed to protect students from predatory teachers that would lure the students to their home. You really don't know what you're talking about.
Oh well.
Courts don't determine ethics. They determine law. When we say, "Legally..." that's the courts.
Ethics are totally different.
Also, having a student come to your home isn't wrong in and of itself.
Courts don't determine ethics. They determine law. When we say, "Legally..." that's the courts.
Ethics are totally different.
Also, having a student come to your home isn't wrong in and of itself.
We're not talking about the ethics of having a student to a teacher's home. We're talking about the ethics of having sex with a student, wherever that may take place. It's unethical anywhere it takes place. You're really grasping at straws to keep your argument afloat, but you don't have a leg to stand on.
We're not talking about the ethics of having a student to a teacher's home. We're talking about the ethics of having sex with a student, wherever that may take place. It's unethical anywhere it takes place. You're really grasping at straws to keep your argument afloat, but you don't have a leg to stand on.
In order for something to be unethical, there has to be a 99.99% agreement from the general population that the act is wrong, which isn't the case here.
There's a "the government says it's wrong, so it's wrong" majority here, but if you blindlessly follow government laws, then black people would still be slaves and women still wouldn't vote.
In order for something to be unethical, there has to be a 99.99% agreement from the general population that the act is wrong, which isn't the case here.
Ethics, in a professional context, isn't the same as morality. I would concede that the behavior being discussed was unethical because it violates the professional standards of generally recognized bodies whose task it is to foster a code of ethics dealing with their profession. Whether it is immoral is a separate argument.
Ethics, in a professional context, isn't the same as morality. I would concede that the behavior being discussed was unethical because it violates the professional standards of generally recognized bodies whose task it is to foster a code of ethics dealing with their profession. Whether it is immoral is a separate argument.
I think thats true when you join an association professing such ethics.
But it's not actually rape. Statutory rape is just government propaganda designed to brainwash kids into behaving to the government's agenda. (I personally think sexual relations are stupid, but I don't try to force my beliefs onto others, like the government does.)
In fact, if there's any exploitation going on, it's by the government in shoving their beliefs down their throat, totally overruling the parent's desired completely.
And there's nothing wrong with hanging out with people younger than you.
I only hope that the camp you claim to be a counselor at is somehow alerted to your views.
I think thats true when you join an association professing such ethics.
Teachers don't sign those, do they?
Actually, it is spelled out in the contracts of almost every school district in the nation. Sometimes, in general terms; others, in specific details.
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