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I stand by my statement 100%. I've played football half my life, been a fan for over 35 years and attended scouting events, mini camps, training camps, rookie day events, all over the US and have done so for years. I know a great QB when I see one. Wilson is a good QB, he just does not possess the raw goods to ever be a great QB. He played an intricate role in a very good system, on a very good team, that is well balanced and so forth. He is not even on par with the likes of Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, who had great raw talent, but never played for a super great team like Wilson does. Things evolve and change very rapidly in the NFL today. And my take is that his averageness will shine through once free agency picks off a few more of the key members of Seahawks who made this team great.
He doesn't have a "nose" for the game like a Brady, or Brees or Farve did/ does, (there are many more examples) and he does not have the arm strength for deep outs like some of the great do. He's not a thread the needle kind of passer and he has a very slow release. He telegraphs his throws. These things will all catch up with him once he has to rely more on just himself in games, as his talent around him dwindles.
Oh of course you are the only one who has played football and have an in depth knowledge of the sport. I of course know nothing. I think the most glaring revelation about your response is that Brett Favre played 20 seasons in the league and you still can't spell his last name correctly. But of course you know football back to front. Brady and Favre (and Aaron Rodgers) - ball out passers and the Green Bay QBs have the added dimension of mobility to buy time in the pocket. Fouts, Marino, Moon, Manning, Brees - racked up a whole lot of yards playing in ideal weather conditions and within the confines of domes. Wilson is definitely more in the mode of a Rodgers and his numbers and accomplishments compare favorably. As I stated in my previous post, call me when Russell Wilson actually has a bad season. He hasn't had one yet.
Third, am I the only one who thinks the whole following-him-from-one-school-to-another thing is a little obsessive?
No, that sends red flags of hitching ride on the perceived "star" athlete. Remember he was an excellent baseball prospect too.
There's more to this than we know. Let's not make him out to be the bad guy. He's taking the high road and not talking about it so far. I respect him for that. I'd say he must care about her to not flame her in public.
Yes, who are we too know what went on. I can surmise all manner of things like a sycophant glory seeking high school 'clingy' girl who doesn't mature too a womanizing man. So no one of that is worth it.
It's sad when a marriage ends.
Not necessarily, as Ovcatto aptly pointed out, no way to know if this was couples who naturally grew apart due to varying levels of emotional maturity and personal development [they are both < 25 years old so their respective brains are nearing end of development]. Perhaps one (or both) developed at different rates toward adulthood. Or one of them can not handle the end result of newfound fame and anticipated upcoming fortune?
My response in blue, cause one of them is surely feeling blue at the loss of 'green'?
I stand by my statement 100%. I've played football half my life, been a fan for over 35 years and attended scouting events, mini camps, training camps, rookie day events, all over the US and have done so for years. I know a great QB when I see one. Wilson is a good QB, he just does not possess the raw goods to ever be a great QB. He played an intricate role in a very good system, on a very good team, that is well balanced and so forth. He is not even on par with the likes of Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, who had great raw talent, but never played for a super great team like Wilson does. Things evolve and change very rapidly in the NFL today. And my take is that his averageness will shine through once free agency picks off a few more of the key members of Seahawks who made this team great.
He doesn't have a "nose" for the game like a Brady, or Brees or Farve did/ does, (there are many more examples) and he does not have the arm strength for deep outs like some of the great do. He's not a thread the needle kind of passer and he has a very slow release. He telegraphs his throws. These things will all catch up with him once he has to rely more on just himself in games, as his talent around him dwindles.
It seems like you aren't giving him much room to grow. According to you, he is what he is now and won't get better. He's only been a professional player for two years and played in about thirty five games. He has time to improve.
It seems like you aren't giving him much room to grow. According to you, he is what he is now and won't get better. He's only been a professional player for two years and played in about thirty five games. He has time to improve.
I said based on raw skills. God given if you will. Things you can't teach. Like Barry Sanders. Nobody taught him to make 33% more cut backs then anyone in his era, he just had it in his blood. Same concept. It's a feel for the game, that cannot be conditioned or taught. Some have more then others. I'm saying Wilson is a good QB, but if I were building a franchise today, there are at least 9 QB's off the top of my head I would go with before him.
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What's funny about that article is they call him a Super Bowl winning QB which puts him in the same boat as Trent Dilfer... both would qualify as an average QB that was carried to a championship by an out of this world defense.
Good observation. I think he will end up being a solid QB when his career is over but this is not a Drew Brees or Peyton we are dealing with. I think his career is more like a Randall Cunningham or Steve McNair career. Very good QBs but aren't heading to Canton.
As for the divorce, if you are in his position and done with your woman, better to do it now instead of a few years down the road. Both under 25 so they have plenty of life ahead of them. Also smart move for him financially, let's be honest.
looks like he's going to be taking the tom brady route by upgrading his gf to a supermodel. he knows he can do better and younger but this gal may actually have been a genuine person. who knows? she should have allowed him to have unlimited sex partners just so she could keep him but oh well. at least vanessa bryant tolerated kobe's nightly escorts to his home...
is he dumping her before he starts making the big bucks when this year ends and a new contract is granted?
Good observation. I think he will end up being a solid QB when his career is over but this is not a Drew Brees or Peyton we are dealing with. I think his career is more like a Randall Cunningham or Steve McNair career. Very good QBs but aren't heading to Canton.
As for the divorce, if you are in his position and done with your woman, better to do it now instead of a few years down the road. Both under 25 so they have plenty of life ahead of them. Also smart move for him financially, let's be honest.
Poor observation. There are few (if any) career parallels between Russell Wilson and either Cunningham or McNair. You could not have possibly watched either play extensively and drawn the conclusion that Wilson's game is similar to theirs. Cunningham, McNair, and Dilfer have more career parallels with one another than with Wilson. None of them even approached Wilson's level of QB proficiency in the NFL until at least their 5th seasons in the league. Dilfer never quite did period. Dilfer didn't even complete half of his passes in the Super Bowl that was his crowning achievement!
He played an intricate role in a very good system, on a very good team, that is well balanced and so forth. He is not even on par with the likes of Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, who had great raw talent, but never played for a super great team like Wilson does. Things evolve and change very rapidly in the NFL today. And my take is that his averageness will shine through once free agency picks off a few more of the key members of Seahawks who made this team great.
I agree... would we even be having this discussion if Wilson played for Jacksonville? He walked into the perfect situation and has made the most of it... I'll give him that. I'm not ready to enshrine him in Canton though.
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As I stated in my previous post, call me when Russell Wilson actually has a bad season. He hasn't had one yet.
He's had multiple bad games though... where he looked utterly horrible but the defense won the game. He's also had multiple games where he didn't show up until the 2nd half with the team down 2-3 touchdowns.
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I said based on raw skills. God given if you will. Things you can't teach. Like Barry Sanders. Nobody taught him to make 33% more cut backs then anyone in his era, he just had it in his blood. Same concept. It's a feel for the game, that cannot be conditioned or taught. Some have more then others. I'm saying Wilson is a good QB, but if I were building a franchise today, there are at least 9 QB's off the top of my head I would go with before him.
Agreed... in order Brady, P. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Luck, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Newton, Stafford.
Wilson would be somewhere between Ryan and Stafford for me... LOL
Agreed... in order Brady, P. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Luck, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Newton, Stafford.
Wilson would be somewhere between Ryan and Stafford for me... LOL
Matthew Stafford? Take away Megatron and he's Blaine Gabbert. Matt Ryan better than Ben Roethlisberger?!? ROTFLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....
The differences between real football fans and fantasy football fans are clear. Right now Russell Wilson has put together the two best rookie and sophomore years at QB (not to mention the best senior year ever) and is at home polishing his Super Bowl ring. Luck and Newton could be on their their way. The Matts have accomplished exactly d**k in the NFL.
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Reason: incredulous Matt Ryan & Stafford mentioned in top 10 QBs
Matthew Stafford? Take away Megatron and he's Blaine Gabbert. Matt Ryan better than Ben Roethlisberger?!? ROTFLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....
The differences between real football fans and fantasy football fans are clear. Right now Russell Wilson has put together the two best rookie and sophomore years at QB (not to mention the best senior year ever) and is at home polishing his Super Bowl ring. Luck and Newton could be on their their way. The Matts have accomplished exactly d**k in the NFL.
I never said Ryan was "better" than Ben R. I listed them in order that I would choose them... with Stafford at the bottom of the list only because I would choose him over Andy Dalton and the rest of the no name QB's in the NFL... NOT because of " incredulous Matt Ryan & Stafford mentioned in top 10 QBs" as you put it in your post edit. I never said it was a top 10 list.
I did forget about Flacco though... and would probably put him right behind Luck.
Anyway, doesn't matter.
I do have one question though... why is your name Steelers10? You've spent this entire thread slobbering over Russell Wilson and how great he is... maybe you should go with Seahawks10? You'd fit right in out here with all the 'Hawks fan who think Wilson is the second coming of Joe Montana.
BTW, I don't waste time with fantasy football. I tried it once like 5 years ago, played 2 games and haven't touched it since. I don't see the excitement in rooting for individual players in a team sport.
I'm gonna move on from this thread now. It's about Wilson's divorce... not you slobbering over his "greatness."
Been fun...
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