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The proper title is "US citizen and Ex-military veteran attack wounds NYC cop "Perhaps from now on whenever someone commits a crime we should identify them based on their religion.
"Christian boy in Washington state kills 1, wounds 4 at school"
The proper title is "US citizen and Ex-military veteran attack wounds NYC cop "Perhaps from now on whenever someone commits a crime we should identify them based on their religion.
"Christian boy in Washington state kills 1, wounds 4 at school"
If only it was just a religion. It's not, sad to say. It's also a form of governance in direct opposition to our constitution.
Dig your username, btw. I've seen variations of it used as server passwords.
The proper title is "US citizen and Ex-military veteran attack wounds NYC cop "Perhaps from now on whenever someone commits a crime we should identify them based on their religion.
"Christian boy in Washington state kills 1, wounds 4 at school"
The kid in Washington was NOT motivated by Christianity terrorism.
The guy who killed the nyc cop WAS motivated by MUSLIM extremist terrorism.
So your comparison is ludicrous. If a Muslim guy robs a bank, he doesn't need to be labeled as muslim. It's irrelevant. If a Muslim guy kills for the reason of Muslim terrorist attack then he should be labeled a Muslim extremist terrorist, which is exactly what he is!
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The proper title is "US citizen and Ex-military veteran attack wounds NYC cop "Perhaps from now on whenever someone commits a crime we should identify them based on their religion.
"Christian boy in Washington state kills 1, wounds 4 at school"
Or we could just identify them based on their skin color and race... oh wait.
The proper title is "US citizen and Ex-military veteran attack wounds NYC cop "Perhaps from now on whenever someone commits a crime we should identify them based on their religion.
"Christian boy in Washington state kills 1, wounds 4 at school"
I would go along with your suggestion provided you post a screen shot of his facebook page showing him holding an AK-47 while reciting relevant Bible passages about killing.
I would go along with your suggestion provided you post a screen shot of his facebook page showing him holding an AK-47 while reciting relevant Bible passages about killing.
This exists on a MASSIVE scale in northeast India. It doesn't much get reported, though.
This is also happening currently with the Anti-Balaka people in CAR, which is basically a genocide against Muslims by Christian fundamentalists.
And then, of course, there was Northern Ireland.
This isn't at all as impossible as a lot of people seem to imply.
This exists on a MASSIVE scale in northeast India. It doesn't much get reported, though.
This is also happening currently with the Anti-Balaka people in CAR, which is basically a genocide against Muslims by Christian fundamentalists.
And then, of course, there was Northern Ireland.
This isn't at all as impossible as a lot of people seem to imply.
The issue is not people killing other people. People find all sorts of reasons. What makes the ISIS question sensitive is that there are indeed plenty of passages in Koran, and more importantly, the way wars were conducted in the early years of Islam while Muhammad was alive. One of the draws of ISIS is that it promises people to relive those years. See if this doesn't look familiar,
"Successful insurgencies also require a disciplined cadre of true believers to do the work of organizing and recruiting new members. Muhammad's revolutionary cadre consisted of the small group of original converts he attracted in Mecca and took with him to Medina. These were the muhajirun, or emigrants. The first converts among the clans of Medina, the ansar, or helpers, also filled the ranks of the cadre."
You read this and you think you are reading news reports from Iraq and Syria today.
"Terrorism seems to be an indispensable element of a successful insurgency, and it was no less so in Muhammad's case. He used terrorism in two basic ways: First, he ensured discipline among his followers by making public examples of traitors and backsliders. In Muhammad's day the penalty for apostasy in Islam was death. He also ordered some of his political enemies assassinated, including poets and singers who had publicly ridiculed him. When his armies marched into Mecca, for example, Muhammad's suffah set about hunting down a list of old enemies marked for execution. Second, Muhammad used terrorism to strike fear in the hearts of his enemies on a large scale. In the case of the Jewish tribes of Medina, Muhammad seems to have ordered the death of the entire Beni Qaynuqa tribe and the selling of their women and children into slavery, though he was later talked out of it by the chief of one of his allies. On another occasion, again against a Jewish tribe of Medina, he ordered all the tribe's adult males, some nine hundred, beheaded in the city square, the women and children sold into slavery, and their property distributed among his Muslim followers. "
The issue is not people killing other people. People find all sorts of reasons. What makes the ISIS question sensitive is that there are indeed plenty of passages in Koran, and more importantly, the way wars were conducted in the early years of Islam while Muhammad was alive. One of the draws of ISIS is that it promises people to relive those years. See if this doesn't look familiar,
"Successful insurgencies also require a disciplined cadre of true believers to do the work of organizing and recruiting new members. Muhammad's revolutionary cadre consisted of the small group of original converts he attracted in Mecca and took with him to Medina. These were the muhajirun, or emigrants. The first converts among the clans of Medina, the ansar, or helpers, also filled the ranks of the cadre."
You read this and you think you are reading news reports from Iraq and Syria today.
"Terrorism seems to be an indispensable element of a successful insurgency, and it was no less so in Muhammad's case. He used terrorism in two basic ways: First, he ensured discipline among his followers by making public examples of traitors and backsliders. In Muhammad's day the penalty for apostasy in Islam was death. He also ordered some of his political enemies assassinated, including poets and singers who had publicly ridiculed him. When his armies marched into Mecca, for example, Muhammad's suffah set about hunting down a list of old enemies marked for execution. Second, Muhammad used terrorism to strike fear in the hearts of his enemies on a large scale. In the case of the Jewish tribes of Medina, Muhammad seems to have ordered the death of the entire Beni Qaynuqa tribe and the selling of their women and children into slavery, though he was later talked out of it by the chief of one of his allies. On another occasion, again against a Jewish tribe of Medina, he ordered all the tribe's adult males, some nine hundred, beheaded in the city square, the women and children sold into slavery, and their property distributed among his Muslim followers. "
Exactly.......I never recalled Muhammad as being some peaceful Christ-like figure that turned the other cheek at his enemies.
It well-documented in the Koran, Hadiths, and Sunnahs that he was a brutal and totalitarian warlord. So no surprise that a sizable minority of Islam's adherents today are following the example of their prophet.
The issue is not people killing other people. People find all sorts of reasons. What makes the ISIS question sensitive is that there are indeed plenty of passages in Koran, and more importantly, the way wars were conducted in the early years of Islam while Muhammad was alive. One of the draws of ISIS is that it promises people to relive those years. See if this doesn't look familiar,
"Successful insurgencies also require a disciplined cadre of true believers to do the work of organizing and recruiting new members. Muhammad's revolutionary cadre consisted of the small group of original converts he attracted in Mecca and took with him to Medina. These were the muhajirun, or emigrants. The first converts among the clans of Medina, the ansar, or helpers, also filled the ranks of the cadre."
You read this and you think you are reading news reports from Iraq and Syria today.
"Terrorism seems to be an indispensable element of a successful insurgency, and it was no less so in Muhammad's case. He used terrorism in two basic ways: First, he ensured discipline among his followers by making public examples of traitors and backsliders. In Muhammad's day the penalty for apostasy in Islam was death. He also ordered some of his political enemies assassinated, including poets and singers who had publicly ridiculed him. When his armies marched into Mecca, for example, Muhammad's suffah set about hunting down a list of old enemies marked for execution. Second, Muhammad used terrorism to strike fear in the hearts of his enemies on a large scale. In the case of the Jewish tribes of Medina, Muhammad seems to have ordered the death of the entire Beni Qaynuqa tribe and the selling of their women and children into slavery, though he was later talked out of it by the chief of one of his allies. On another occasion, again against a Jewish tribe of Medina, he ordered all the tribe's adult males, some nine hundred, beheaded in the city square, the women and children sold into slavery, and their property distributed among his Muslim followers. "
THIS is a level-headed analysis. If more people answered this stuff like you, I wouldn't find it personally necessary to continuously counter these tribalistic anti-Muslim claims about what the Q'uran does and doesn't say.
That said, I would like to counter with a few violent biblical passages.
1 Kings 11:15, talking about killing every male in a particular civilization because their culture had persuaded Solomon to worship other gods.
1 Kings 18:40, Elijah kills 450 men for worshipping Baal.
1 Samuel 18:6-7, talks about David and Saul returning from a slaughter contest to see who could kill more Philistines and other heretics to please God. Saul had slain "thousands," and David "tens of thousands."
2 Samuel 21:9, this is the public hanging of Saul's five sons to stop God's curse.
Esther 9:14 recounts the public execution of the 10 sons of Haman.
Psalms 68:23 recommends killing your enemies with a wound to the head, then washing your feet in their blood and letting your dog drink the rest of it.
Psalms 137:9, where Babylonian children were smashed to death against stones to seek vengeance for the captivity of the Israelites.
1 Isaiah 13:15-16 says that when the Lord destroys Babylon, he will kill all the men with swords, smash their children to death against rocks and rape all of their wives.
Jeremiah 51:39-40 says God will get all of the Babylonians drunk, and lead them "like lambs to their slaughter."
And these are just cherry-picked small instances. There are instances of God, his emissaries, and his angels killing 23,000, 50,500, 80,000, 120,000 at a time, as long as they were people God didn't like.
And up until the VERY, VERY modern era, Christians took much of this very seriously. The Jews even did as recently as '48, if you read some of the religious-wacko B.S. eschewed by Zionist jews in the 20's and 30's.
I'm actually not religious at all. I think all religious books are chock full of death, destruction and immorality. But I just try to make the point that this is not unique to Islam.
Exactly.......I never recalled Muhammad as being some peaceful Christ-like figure that turned the other cheek at his enemies.
It well-documented in the Koran, Hadiths, and Sunnahs that he was a brutal and totalitarian warlord. So no surprise that a sizable minority of Islam's adherents today are following the example of their prophet.
Jesus was no angel. I've got passages for days that can prove that.
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