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My old man is a veteran and here in Colorado Springs we live in proximity to five (publicly known) active military installations, and at least one that isn't widely known or talked about. I know a lot of soldiers, and a lot of veterans.
For the US military to take up arms against US civilians on US soil is what they call an unlawful order. Most soldiers, except some of the officers (usually the ones whose rank is the only thing respected about them) would not follow such an order, in fact they are sworn not to.
I said basically the same thing like 20 pages ago, sort of.
BUT, the national guard do not have the same rules that the rest of us do. Also, surprisingly, nor do the puddle pirates.
"The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C.§ 1385, original at 20 Stat.152) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction and was updated in 1981. The purpose of the act (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) is to limit the powers of Federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce the state laws.
The Act does not apply to the National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. The United States Coast Guard, which operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act either, primarily because although the Coast Guard is an armed service, it also has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission. While the Act does not explicitly mention the naval services (United States Navy and the United States Marine Corps), the Department of the Navy has prescribed regulations that are generally construed to give the Act force with respect to those services as well."
So while I can legally and rightfully refuse a direct order from the president himself to police civvies, my national guard buddies cannot.
I said basically the same thing like 20 pages ago, sort of.
BUT, the national guard do not have the same rules that the rest of us do. Also, surprisingly, nor do the puddle pirates.
"The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C.§ 1385, original at 20 Stat.152) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction and was updated in 1981. The purpose of the act (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) is to limit the powers of Federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce the state laws.
The Act does not apply to the National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. The United States Coast Guard, which operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act either, primarily because although the Coast Guard is an armed service, it also has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission. While the Act does not explicitly mention the naval services (United States Navy and the United States Marine Corps), the Department of the Navy has prescribed regulations that are generally construed to give the Act force with respect to those services as well."
So while I can legally and rightfully refuse a direct order from the president himself to police civvies, my national guard buddies cannot.
Good to know and it makes sense given...history. And all.
I just get a little annoyed with the notion people have that it is moot to own guns in the symbolic interest of protecting oneself against the possibility of a tyrannical government, because Uncle Sam's got tanks and bombs and more guns and all. Because that really isn't the point.
Honestly most of the people I know who feel the need to own guns "for freedom" it really is more of a symbolic gesture and a state of mind than anything. We've all got house payments and jobs and kids to raise and stuff...nobody wants to deal with going up against our government. It can be argued that we've already accepted any number of intrusive and abusive things from the Fed, that perhaps our Founding Fathers would have hoisted rifles in protest over. Why? Because we've got it pretty good, overall, especially in comparison to a lot of places on this planet. We have a lot to lose.
I think that owning the firearms just makes folks feel as though they are "prepared." It's better than nothing. And a lot of people still want being an American to mean something. Something good.
What made me finally accept firearms in my home (properly secured in a safe of course, and not stored loaded) was that my husband and a couple other enthusiast friends, who are all former military and well versed in gun safety, took our teenage sons to the range. My husband and our youngest rarely find common ground as father and son. Their relationship is often awkward at best. But my kid has a gift, he's an excellent shot, and my husband is really proud of him when they go shooting...it's a bonding thing. They don't have enough things to bond over. So I was happy (so long as everyone was SAFE) with this situation.
I firmly believe that having guns in any way defense-ready in your home or on your person, when you have children, is irresponsible as a general concept. As I said to my husband, even if our sons are well trained in safety, you can't guarantee that all of their friends who might come over are. Guns, to us, are a hobby interest. That is all. Not the only potentially dangerous hobby in the world. *shrug*
It doesn't mention if she has lost custody of the children or not. If you have unsecured, loaded guns lying around the house you might want to keep a close eye on the kids.
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