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^ Seizure "caused by fever" in 1 in 3,000. So not even as a direct result of the vaccine. Lower the fever by taking Advil or Tylenol. That lowers your risk of seizing.
Next: Joint pain. In one out of four people. Well I'd sure as hell rather have joint pain for a few days than get measles. I had joint pain for weeks when I got Fifth Disease about seven years ago and it was the most minor part of the illness. A nuisance, but I can deal if it means I don't get measles, mumps, or rubella.
Last: "Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder." In 1 of 30,000 people. Wow. You MAY get a low platelet count for a short time, which MAY cause a bleeding disorder... if you're unlucky number 30,000 out of 30,000, let's say. Or if you're unlucky number 19,046 out of 30,000. Okay.
All of those, even combined, are still better than measles.
My brother's girlfriend actually had mumps this spring. She was vaccinated. They don't know how she got it, but she got a very minor case that did not last very long. She was better in less than a week, and her neck didn't swell up too badly. Had she been unvaccinated, it's likely her infection would have been much worse.
My brother, who'd been kissing her, of course, when the disease was in its most contagious stages (before he knew it was mumps), didn't get it. Neither did I, and she was at my house a lot, eating with us, etc., before she knew it was mumps. We're both vaccinated.
Eit: Man you guys are posting so fast, my posts with little arrows don't even reflect the post they're intended to!
You might have been responding to my post and the CDC data I brought to the attention on this thread.
My intent wasn't to say getting measles was better/worse than a reaction to a vaccine. My simple point was that if one has a child who was one of the unlucky one's to get a moderate or severe reaction to a vaccine(blood disorders can be serious and may not be as black and white as your posts states), wouldn't it be prudent to at least question the idea of giving another vaccine if it has the same profile risk as stated on the CDC website as the previous vaccine? Let's make it more personal.....let's say we are talking about your hypothetical kid in this circumstance. Would you want the choice to make the decision to give or not give another vaccine to your kid without the gov saying "your kid needs it or won't be able to get into public school, regardless of the previous experience with the other vaccine"?
I'm not afraid of polio. I just said it's a bad illness, or it can be. Even if my great-uncle didn't have it, it'd still be a bad illness - because it is. I have not shared my story to influence anyone's perception. It is a known fact that polio causes paralysis and deformities. I don't have to convince anyone of anything.
Luckily, we don't have worry about polio - hence the fact that I'm not afraid of it, because it has been eradicated in this country thanks to vaccines.
"Most people who get infected with poliovirus (about 72 out of 100) will not have any visible symptoms."
Paralysis from polio would be in a minority accounting for 1 out of that same 100.
I decided to post the link Katjonjj so thoughtfully provided.
"Polio, or poliomyelitis, is a crippling and potentially deadly infectious disease. It is caused by the poliovirus. The virus spreads from person to person and can invade an infected person’s brain and spinal cord, causing paralysis (can’t move parts of the body). Symptoms
Most people who get infected with poliovirus (about 72 out of 100) will not have any visible symptoms.
About 1 out of 4 people with poliovirus infection will have flu-like symptoms that may include—
Sore throat
Fever
Tiredness
Nausea
Headache
Stomach pain
These symptoms usually last 2 to 5 days then go away on their own.
A smaller proportion of people with poliovirus infection will develop other more serious symptoms that affect the brain and spinal cord:
Paresthesia (feeling of pins and needles in the legs)
Meningitis (infection of the covering of the spinal cord and/or brain) occurs in about 1 out of 25 people with poliovirus infection
Paralysis (can’t move parts of the body) or weakness in the arms, legs, or both, occurs in about 1 out of 200 people with poliovirus infection
Paralysis is the most severe symptom associated with polio because it can lead to permanent disability and death.
Between 2 and 10 out of 100 people who have paralysis from poliovirus infection die because the virus affects the muscles that help them breathe.
Even children who seem to fully recover can develop new muscle pain, weakness, or paralysis as adults, 15 to 40 years later. This is called post-polio syndrome.
Note that "poliomyelitis" (or "polio" for short) is defined as the paralytic disease. So only people with the paralytic infection are considered to have the disease."
Let's check out the first part I bolded.
Most people who get infected with poliovirus (about 72 out of 100) will not have any visible symptoms.
So how do you know if the person next to you has polio? You don't. So you could be sitting with your unvaccinated child next to someone who has polio and not even know it. Your unvaccinated child could be harboring polio and nobody else, including you, would know it.
Now, let's run those numbers. 2/100 = .02 and 1/200 = .005. So now we have 1/200 (.005) x the 74,500,000 kids in the US (let's say there's an epidemic and all the kids have polio - why not? You guys are all saying vaccines don't work) who not only have polio, but have been paralyzed from it. That number is 372,500 kids paralyzed. 2/100 (.02) is the percentage of that percentage who will die. That number is .02 x .005 x 74,500,000 = 7,450
That's 372,500 kids paralyzed (that's Katjonjj's minority) and 7,450 dead.
As for meningitis? Well, that ain't no walk in the park either. 1/25 will be .04 x 74,500,000. That will be 2,980,000 children with meningitis in the US.
You sure you want to play those odds with your kids?
And before you say polio isn't around anymore, yes, it is. And any international traveler can bring it back to the US. Before you get too complacent about this, try to remember that the epidemic of SARS in Toronto that killed 44, sickened about 400 others and quarantined 25,000, was started by ONE person ill with SARS when arriving in the city.
Last edited by rodentraiser; 07-09-2015 at 03:35 PM..
Reason: rechecking figures
Well made point. A person has just as much chance of being paralyzed from polio as does that person having an adverse reaction from the vaccine.
A small minority will experience adverse reactions from vaccines.
A small minority will experience paralysis from polio.
Adverse reactions from vaccines (as they are currently tracked) include the minor ones like low fever and swelling at the injection site. So you don't have an apples to apples comparison. It's apples to smallpox infested blankets.
So, in your comparison, a chance of paralysis is equal to an owie on my arm?
“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.” – Dr. Marcia Angell, a physician and longtime editor-in-chief of the New England Medical Journal (NEMJ) (source)
I posted a link this morning that said the pertussis droplets from a cough can travel three feet. The child was at least that close, probably closer b/c a child's cough is not as strong. It sure as heck wouldn't have happened from across the room the size of any doctor's office waiting room I know of.
What if the child was coughing in the waiting room leaving droplets on the furniture and then went back to see the doctor and the baby's mother came in with the baby, sat in the same chair that the coughing child had been in and put her hand on the contaminated armrest and then went to wipe something off the baby's face? Could the baby have caught it that way? Or is the only scenario that the coughing child was sitting within three feet of the baby, facing the baby while coughing?
I have been in very small/cramped waiting rooms with no separate "sick" and "well" areas at my old pediatrician's' office. I though how unfortunate the set up was every time we visited. It was very poorly thought out.
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