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I support free birth control for all Americans. It is much cheaper than having to pay for millions of b*astard children.
Of course. But, why should the Federal Government pay for any such children? Let the communities decide whether or not to support the irresponsible members of their respective communities.
I highly suspect that if the irresponsible among us knew that they had to ask and rely on their neighbors for assistance rather than simply completing standard forms for the big, faceless, Federal Government, those irresponsible persons would quickly become more responsible in their behavior, not to mention much more grateful for what they receive and much more sociable.
Really, why would this be horrible?
Anyway, BC is already ridiculously inexpensive and accessible to anyone who wants it. There really is no reason that we have SO MANY dependent children.
So a while back there was an outage with the food stamp whatever they are called card system. The outage lasted several hours. I first became aware of it when I was in a United Diary Farmer's store and I guy decked out in head to toe Nike gear set 10 Digiorno frozen pizzas and 3 gallons of ice cream with all the trimmings on the counter. His total came to right around $100 bucks. He scanned his card and it wouldn't process. Dude got super rude with the cashier even though she was trying to help. Rerunning the card and whatnot. The cashier called her manager who came out and said she had just rec'd an email indicated that SNAP was offline and they were trying to fix the problem. This bozo is all "what am I supposed to do, my 10 year old has 5 friends over for a sleepover" and he walked out the door and climbed right into his tricked out Escalade. So sorry that you don't get to feed the neighborhood kids with your foodstamps on pizza and ice cream that you paid twice what you should have because you went into a convenience store because you're too lazy to walk in the Kroger's across the street. Toolbox.
A few hours later, I went and picked my elderly aunt up to take her to the grocery store. So we hit the Kroger. First thing you see are large signs saying "SNAP PAYMENT IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME" on the doors. A few minutes after we had arrived, an announcement came over the loud speaker "Attention customers, this is a reminder that the SNAP payment is unavailable at this time due to technical issues out of Kroger's control". Literally dozens of people walked out the door leaving their shopping cards right there in the aisles loaded with groceries bitching all the way out the door. It occurred to no one to put the items that they could not afford back on the shelves. There was a story on one of the local news stations that night. Kroger had to call in additional staff to restock shelves because so many carts were left abandoned. Complete with footage of non-contributors/self-entitlers outside in the parking lot having hissy fits because they were inconvenienced.
I'm honestly shocked by the complete lack of compassion for children born to poor parents who can't or won't provide them with what they need.
Be mad, disgusted, angry, judgmental and anything else you want about the adults getting assistance.
But is it really to much to ask for compassion for their INNOCENT children. Punishing the children for their parents choices is messed up and hurts society far more than any money we might save.
People who are anti-choice always talk about how a fetus is a life and it should be protected and cared for. Yet when that child is born, it's all welp good luck raising the kid, don't ask for any help.
I never for a minute imagined that we can stop anyone from having sex. Why do you bring this up? I've been having sex since I was 13 and I'm well into my 50s, now. Only once have I got someone pregnant (my wife) and we were trying for a kid.
I don't care if people have sex or how much of it or what kind of sex they engage in. That's their business. Its notmy business.
Understand?
I actually have no problem with BC. I don't know whether I believe that BC or Viagra should be covered by insurance, and I am not religious, at all.
Again, what type of sex you have and with who and how is none of my business. I don't ask anyone to pay for my kid, and I don't want to pay for anyone's BC or Viagra or kid.
Call me crazy.
But insurance pays for them to go have their babies, and for in vitro if they can't get pregnant, what is really the difference? I honestly don't get where you are coming from, sorry.
But insurance pays for them to go have their babies, and for in vitro if they can't get pregnant, what is really the difference? I honestly don't get where you are coming from, sorry.
Personally, I think the cost of in vitro should be borne by the individual couple, not subsidized by insurance. That's an expensive personal choice. Why not adopt instead?
Adoption is time consuming and expensive? Well.... if in vitro were the same, they might choose adoption anyway.
I'm honestly shocked by the complete lack of compassion for children born to poor parents who can't or won't provide them with what they need.
Be mad, disgusted, angry, judgmental and anything else you want about the adults getting assistance.
But is it really to much to ask for compassion for their INNOCENT children. Punishing the children for their parents choices is messed up and hurts society far more than any money we might save.
People who are anti-choice always talk about how a fetus is a life and it should be protected and cared for. Yet when that child is born, it's all welp good luck raising the kid, don't ask for any help.
Your mistake is this.
You fault people for not wanting to work to pay to raise someone else's children. This, in the day, when it's hard enough to raise their own. This when their the ones who sired these kids won't work.
You seem to have no problem at all with the people who irresponsibly bring kids into this world without a care how to support them. No problem with derelict "baby daddies" who are no where to be found when the time comes to pay the bills. No problem at all for those how feel entitled to government welfare because they have accomplished nothing more that what two stray dogs can accomplish.
So your pleading about "compassion" rings hollow. As I said earlier, if the concern is really the kids, then put them in foster care because they first need to be removed from such irresponsible adults.
So far the only defense that I've seen in this entire topic for the able bodied working age adults on permanent welfare is to lob insults at those who raise issue with it.
Riiiiiight. I guess if illogical and erroneous statements and hyperbole are all someone has to offer, having those errors pointed out would be insulting ...
Again, the lack of comprehension of the real world is simply astounding. Get a clue.
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What I'm against are people who make welfare a permanent lifestyle choice.
How is more than "a few weeks" (which is the length of time you approve of for assistance) permanent?
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I've never had a good answer from those who object on "moral" grounds why they are okay with Viagra being paid for but birth control has to be okay with the company's religious beliefs, lol.
Yeah, that's one of my favorite lapses in logic.
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I don't ask anyone to pay for my kid, and I don't want to pay for anyone's BC or Viagra or kid.
The reality that you keep ignoring is that all of us taxpayers are going to pay for either birth control or for the support of a child. One or the other, whether you or I like it or not. Which one is the least costly?
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Anyway, BC is already ridiculously inexpensive and accessible to anyone who wants it. There really is no reason that we have SO MANY dependent children.
Getting birth control involves a lot more than walking up to the pharmacy counter. Please refrain from commenting on that which you know nothing about.
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Originally Posted by WeHa
I'm honestly shocked by the complete lack of compassion for children born to poor parents who can't or won't provide them with what they need.
Be mad, disgusted, angry, judgmental and anything else you want about the adults getting assistance.
But is it really to much to ask for compassion for their INNOCENT children. Punishing the children for their parents choices is messed up and hurts society far more than any money we might save.
Agreed. It's much more cost effective to support and educate a child than it is to support an adult, whether in prison or in the community. And that's why the schools now partner with so many non-profit providers and various governments to provide food, tutoring, substance abuse prevention education, crime prevention education, sex education ... (more things people gripe about).
So a while back there was an outage with the food stamp whatever they are called card system. The outage lasted several hours. I first became aware of it when I was in a United Diary Farmer's store and I guy decked out in head to toe Nike gear set 10 Digiorno frozen pizzas and 3 gallons of ice cream with all the trimmings on the counter. His total came to right around $100 bucks. He scanned his card and it wouldn't process. Dude got super rude with the cashier even though she was trying to help. Rerunning the card and whatnot. The cashier called her manager who came out and said she had just rec'd an email indicated that SNAP was offline and they were trying to fix the problem. This bozo is all "what am I supposed to do, my 10 year old has 5 friends over for a sleepover" and he walked out the door and climbed right into his tricked out Escalade. So sorry that you don't get to feed the neighborhood kids with your foodstamps on pizza and ice cream that you paid twice what you should have because you went into a convenience store because you're too lazy to walk in the Kroger's across the street. Toolbox.
A few hours later, I went and picked my elderly aunt up to take her to the grocery store. So we hit the Kroger. First thing you see are large signs saying "SNAP PAYMENT IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME" on the doors. A few minutes after we had arrived, an announcement came over the loud speaker "Attention customers, this is a reminder that the SNAP payment is unavailable at this time due to technical issues out of Kroger's control". Literally dozens of people walked out the door leaving their shopping cards right there in the aisles loaded with groceries bitching all the way out the door. It occurred to no one to put the items that they could not afford back on the shelves. There was a story on one of the local news stations that night. Kroger had to call in additional staff to restock shelves because so many carts were left abandoned. Complete with footage of non-contributors/self-entitlers outside in the parking lot having hissy fits because they were inconvenienced.
Clearly that was a bad situation, but, should the entire program be abandoned because of a grumpy guy? I have worked as a cashier for many times and I have had issues with people outraged with credit/debit cards not going through, but, I have yet to see people call to end those. Things happen sometimes you know get over it.
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