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Old 11-10-2015, 12:45 AM
 
Location: Berkeley, CA
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Documentary films have always had clear points of view.

Top Documentary Films - Watch Free Documentaries Online

Run down this list and draw your own conclusions.
And among the first I see on that list is “The Obama Deception”.

There’s a difference between a point of view and hammering the viewer with that opinion to cripple any instant where the viewer might *gasp* draw their own conclusion. Watch Herzog’s “Grizzly Man” for a documentary that trusts the intelligence of the viewer.

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Old 11-10-2015, 06:39 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Except, in your post you said he beached himself and died. That is not true. He died of pneumonia at the age of 26. Captive Orcas have a lifespan of about 25 years or less. Considering he spent most of his life in captivity, its not really surprising that he only lived to 26.
He had pneumonia and beached himself, probably his way of begging for humans to help him after knowing he was sick.
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Old 11-10-2015, 06:43 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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What does your opinion on liberals and a woman's right to make decisions about her own body have to do with this discussion?
Let's get real here. It's about a woman not wanting the responsibility of pregnancy. If your comment were true then women would be lining up and leading the charge against forced vaccination, but of course we don't see that. Anyway, to answer your question, I was responding to another poster who brought up the issue of personhood.
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Old 11-10-2015, 06:46 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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It's not a failure considering:
  • veterinarians estimated he would have succumbed to poor health within a few months, while in captivity. Once released, he lived for another 5 years..
  • in rehabilitation, he was cured of all diseases and viruses, and brought back to full health
  • he learned how to hunt, feed, and sustain himself
  • interacted with numerous of orca pods
  • traveled thousands of miles in the open ocean before succumbing to natural causes
Keiko (Free Willy): 20 Years Later, History Proves His Release to Have Been the Right Decision*|*Candace Calloway Whiting



lol that University of Washington Neurobiology department blog is citing academic articles and literature, which is provided. But nice try though.

No one is calling it a human, you are using a straw man logical fallacy. "Non-human" person is the term being used. Because the qualities that constitute a person - intelligence, consciousness, complex emotions, sense of self, intentionality, conscience, etc, - is found in non-human species, such as the orca. A human is a species!



Right, not to mention that 17 orcas died in captivity during Keiko's rehabilitation and release.
The article even characterizes itself as part of a blog...
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Old 11-10-2015, 01:40 PM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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He had pneumonia and beached himself, probably his way of begging for humans to help him after knowing he was sick.
Keiko was in an advanced stage of sickness and beached himself because he no longer had the energy to swim and stay afloat, not because he wanted attention. Being released from captivity, rehabilitated, and released into the ocean lengthened his lifespan by five years.

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Let's get real here. It's about a woman not wanting the responsibility of pregnancy. If your comment were true then women would be lining up and leading the charge against forced vaccination, but of course we don't see that. Anyway, to answer your question, I was responding to another poster who brought up the issue of personhood.
ok so you oppose women's rights, we get it. You don't want women to have rights over their own reproductive system, which translates to rights over their financial, educational and occupational well being.
But wait, there's more....

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In 2013, the most recent year for which data are available, Planned Parenthood provided services to 2.7 million women, men, and young people during 4.6 million health center visits. At least 60% of these patients benefited from public health coverage programs such as the nation’s family-planning program (Title X) and Medicaid. At least 78% of these patients lived with incomes at or below 150% of the federal poverty level. Planned Parenthood’s services included nearly 400,000 Pap tests, nearly 500,000 breast examinations, nearly 4.5 million tests for sexually transmitted illnesses (including HIV), and treatments
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Nationally, evidence shows that public investments in family planning result in net public savings of about $13.6 billion a year—over $7 for every public dollar spend.

https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/gpr/17/4/gpr170402.html

You oppose all this. However, your stance on women's rights is irrelevant to this discussion. Thanks for playing!

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The article even characterizes itself as part of a blog...
Maybe you should reread what I posted..
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lol that University of Washington Neurobiology department blog is citing academic articles and literature, which is provided. But nice try though.
Here it is. I think that's it for you now.

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Marino, L., Sherwood, C. C., Delman, B. N., Tang, C. Y., Naidich, T. P., & Hof, P. R. (January 01, 2004). Neuroanatomy of the killer whale (Orcinus orca) from magnetic resonance images. The Anatomical Record. Part A, Discoveries in Molecular, Cellular, and Evolutionary Biology, 281, 2, 1256-63.
Neuroanatomy of the killer whale (Orcinus orca) from magnetic resonance images - Marino - 2004 - The Anatomical Record Part A: Discoveries in Molecular, Cellular, and Evolutionary Biology - Wiley Online Library

Morgane PJ, Jacobs MS, MacFarland WL. 1980. The anatomy of the brain of the bottlenose dolphin (Tursiops truncatus): surface configurations of the telencephalon of the bottlenose dolphin with comparative anatomical observations in four other cetacean species. Brain Res Bull 5 (Suppl 3): 1–107. The anatomy of the brain of the bottlenose dolphin (Tursiops truncatus). Surface configurations of the telencephalon of the bottlenose dolphin with comparative anatomical observations in four other cetacean species

Deecke, V. B., Ford, J. K. B., & Spong, P. (November 01, 2000). Dialect change in resident killer whales: implications for vocal learning and cultural transmission. Animal Behaviour, 60, 5, 629-638. Dialect change in resident killer whales: implications for vocal learning and cultural transmission

Bekoff, M. (2007). The emotional lives of animals: A leading scientist explores animal joy, sorrow, and empathy--and why they matter. Novato, Calif: New World Library. http://books.google.com/books
Marino, L., Connor, R. C., Fordyce, R. E., Herman, L. M., Hof, P. R., Lefebvre, L., Lusseau, D., ... Whitehead, H. (May 01, 2007). Cetaceans Have Complex Brains for Complex Cognition. Plos Biology, 5, 5.) PLOS Biology: Cetaceans Have Complex Brains for Complex Cognition
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Old 11-16-2015, 05:40 PM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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CEO Offers $1 Million Toward Sanctuary, Asks SeaWorld To Free One Orca
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The sanctuary would consist of "sea pens" in natural coastal waters, according to the October letter. Conservation experts estimate the sanctuary would cost an estimated $5 million to construct, with an annual operating cost of up to $500,000, Dunn told HuffPost.
CEO Offers $1 Million Toward Sanctuary, Asks SeaWorld To Free One Orca


With increased public concern regarding orcas in captivity, funds for construction and operating costs should be easy to obtain. Piece of cake.

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Old 08-22-2016, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Groveland, FL
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I haven't been back to Sea World since Dawn Brancheau's death.

Over 30 Years and Three Deaths: Tilikum's Tragic Story - SeaWorld of Hurt
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