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Old 11-01-2015, 03:22 PM
 
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Basic principle of guns is you don't pull one if you're not ready to use it. I don't carry in CA, but if I'd made the decision to involve myself as the CCW did, I wouldn't wait for the perp to raise his gun in my direction either. I'd ideally give a verbal warning but if he started turning around with the gun up, I wouldn't wait. The problem with verbal warnings is you can end up getting other people killed as well. It's a judgement call based on the totality of the situation.

Anyway, perp did point the gun at a store employee. He didn't just lift his shirt to show the gun and say give me all your money. Since the CCW holder only opened fire after he was already pointing the gun at people, I don't really have any problems with it. Again, if I decided to involve myself I probably would give a warning but if he started turning in my direction with the gun up, I wouldn't wait past that. That's a lot of responsibility and one of the nice things about not carrying. Once the decision is made to involve oneself, however, you do need to be prepared to follow through. If not you're just more likely to get yourself killed than do any good.
Agreed. We had a CCW holder here get executed when he tried to intervene in a situation. He hesitated and the bad guy's partner shot him in the head.
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Old 11-01-2015, 03:29 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Agreed. We had a CCW holder here get executed when he tried to intervene in a situation. He hesitated and the bad guy's partner shot him in the head.

Exactly! If you are not willing to kill in this type of situation it is best to stay away from guns and concealed carry. You have to act instantaneously and be willing to take a life. Hesitation will get you killed.
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Old 11-01-2015, 03:32 PM
 
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A criminal with a gun in hand can be shot without warning. He has the gun to use it, you do not have to wait for him to do that.

Shoot him.
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Old 11-01-2015, 03:34 PM
 
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Exactly! If you are not willing to kill in this type of situation it is best to stay away from guns and concealed carry. You have to act instantaneously and be willing to take a life. Hesitation will get you killed.
Because not carrying a firearm makes you immune from other threats.
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Old 11-01-2015, 03:38 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Because not carrying a firearm makes you immune from other threats.
If you are not willing or too scared to use a firearm it is of no use to you and you should not have one.
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Oh, goodie! Ending a human life over a couple of hundred bucks always struck me as very proportionate.

I could never understand the mentality of a thief that would risk his life to steal the property of another.

Score one for the good guys.
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:34 PM
 
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The right to self defense goes beyond self. Defense of others is also a valid reason for lethal force.
So true
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:36 PM
 
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If you are not willing or too scared to use a firearm it is of no use to you and you should not have one.
I am not willing to use my CCW in defense of anyone that is not me or mine. Does that mean I should turn in my license?
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:37 PM
 
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Agreed. We had a CCW holder here get executed when he tried to intervene in a situation. He hesitated and the bad guy's partner shot him in the head.
Do you have any basis in fact in this claim or pure speculation?
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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Using deadly force is justified when a person is using or threatening to use immanent deadly force against you or another person. And it doesn't have to be a gun. Warning is not needed.
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