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Old 12-07-2015, 09:05 AM
 
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Because day care cannot replace parental love in the critical first 5 years of a child's life. It's not possible. A parent's direct, focused, and persistent direction and affection has to be better for a child's development than sticking the kid in a warehouse.

Sorry Working Moms, Daycare Is Bad For Your Kid*|*Lydia Lovric
The Effects of Day Care on the Social-Emotional Development of Children
Day care health risks - Penn State Hershey Medical Center
Daycares Don't Care - FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions)
1. blog
2. religious site
3. Actual medial site addressing increase in sickness among children in daycare, but says in the long run this boosts their immune system.
4. Opinion

No studies.
And you are assuming all children are objects of parental love and direction.

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And maybe if the mother of this 3 year old future psychopath was home raising her children in person, we could have avoided the broiled sibling.
Or maybe if the fathers were supporting their families, mother could be home at night with her children. Or if they had been in daycare instead of with the father figure.....
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Old 12-07-2015, 09:49 AM
 
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1. blog
2. religious site
3. Actual medial site addressing increase in sickness among children in daycare, but says in the long run this boosts their immune system.
4. Opinion
Well, all these various sites are actually just citing the same large government studies like National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHD) Study of Early Child Care, an ongoing $100 million survey of 1,100 children.

And after sifting through all these articles, I would agree that statistically, there are only downsides (for the baby) to daycare before the age of around 3. This is probably because infants were never designed to be separated from their parents before then and are going through immense development especially up through age 2. There's a lot of discomfort and no stable day-to-day baseline yet. So, they're really just not ready for parental separation as they are still heavily dependent on them for basic needs and comfort.

Likely only once they become "self-sufficient" (teething done, can walk on own, potty-trained, etc), would they then be able to really shift their focus onto interacting with others (socialization). And again, this is usually around age 3 - when they transition from infants to toddlers.

At this point, the studies do show that such toddlers in daycare may gain a few points on standardized testing for language and cognitive thinking. However, given that this effect is seen with ANY amount of time spent there (from a little to a lot) - it may just be that only wealthier, working parents who can afford to send their kids to daycare - tend to have bred smarter kids to begin with. So, even this potential benefit may just be a correlation, and daycare not a causation.


Really, daycare is just an accommodation to our modern, industrialized lifestyles (based on convenience) - which are really not that conducive to the healthiest, natural ways we evolved to live. Like, breastfeeding for longer periods is also invariably better for the baby, but is definitely not easy either. And child-rearing in general is just one example of many. Not trying to be judgmental here, just factual.

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Old 12-07-2015, 10:14 AM
 
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1. blog
2. religious site
3. Actual medial site addressing increase in sickness among children in daycare, but says in the long run this boosts their immune system.
4. Opinion

A blog or a religious site cannot be correct? COMMON EFFING SENSE cannot be correct?

No studies.
And you are assuming all children are objects of parental love and direction.

All children WOULD be objects of parental love and direction if individual people would do things in the right order, observe reality, observe logic, and not behave like impulsive retarded animals. I say retarded, because even normal animals like squirrels and ravens and deer know how to reproduce properly and care for their young.

Or maybe if the fathers were supporting their families, mother could be home at night with her children.

Or maybe if women would pick the right men, LEGALLY MARRY AND COMMIT TO THEM, and not spread their legs indiscriminately and recreationally, and arrange up front and plan up front and organize up front and execute up front so that staying home was the plan, then maybe a rational and correct and loving environment would be the result. Such an environment is a CHOICE and a DECISION, not an ACCIDENT or HAPPENSTANCE.

I put the blame on women, because women produce the babies, and women set up the environment for raising children. Now, a man who defaults on his responsibility once fathering children should be garnished, pursued, hounded and jailed if he does not follow through on his responsibilities. But, REALITY is in effect: WOMEN ARE IN CHARGE OF BABY CONCEPTION, PRODUCTION, and EARLY DEVELOPMENT.


Or if they had been in daycare instead of with the father figure.....[/quote]

They shouldn't be in daycare ever. They should be HOME WITH MOM 24/7/356/100% until school starts. Not dumped in an institutional pit with 100s of other screaming infected brats whose parents equally neglected their own. DAY CARE IS CHILD ABUSE.

It's a damned bad scene. But it is a choice. A decision. A course of action.
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Old 12-07-2015, 10:30 AM
 
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parents need to be held responsible and charged...end of story
stupid people should NOT procreate
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Old 12-07-2015, 10:52 AM
 
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Well, all these various sites are actually just citing the same large government studies like National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHD) Study of Early Child Care, an ongoing $100 million survey of 1,100 children.

And after sifting through all these articles, I would agree that statistically, there are only downsides (for the baby) to daycare before the age of around 3. This is probably because infants were never designed to be separated from their parents before then and are going through immense development especially up through age 2. There's a lot of discomfort and no stable day-to-day baseline yet. So, they're really just not ready for parental separation as they are still heavily dependent on them for basic needs and comfort.

Likely only once they become "self-sufficient" (teething done, can walk on own, potty-trained, etc), would they then be able to really shift their focus onto interacting with others (socialization). And again, this is usually around age 3 - when they transition from infants to toddlers.

At this point, the studies do show that such toddlers in daycare may gain a few points on standardized testing for language and cognitive thinking. However, given that this effect is seen with ANY amount of time spent there (from a little to a lot) - it may just be that only wealthier, working parents who can afford to send their kids to daycare - tend to have bred smarter kids to begin with. So, even this potential benefit may just be a correlation, and daycare not a causation.


Really, daycare is just an accommodation to our modern, industrialized lifestyles (based on convenience) - which are really not that conducive to the healthiest, natural ways we evolved to live. Like, breastfeeding for longer periods is also invariably better for the baby, but is definitely not easy either. And child-rearing in general is just one example of many. Not trying to be judgmental here, just factual.
I would like to see the actual study. the link was pretty vague as to how they conducted the study and what their control was.

One could also observe differences between home schooled children and those in public school at about any grade level.

Just to note it is not only wealthier parents who send their kids to daycare. Government subsidized daycare is available for poor working parents. Actually Head start was created not for working poor but also children of non working parents to give their children a head start.

As far as basic needs of an infant, anyone can feed, potty-train and care for the basic needs, it need not be a parent. Before daycare women who were forced to work often left their children with other relatives or care givers or even left them with older siblings.
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Old 12-07-2015, 11:03 AM
 
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As far as basic needs of an infant, anyone can feed, potty-train and care for the basic needs, it need not be a parent. Before daycare women who were forced to work often left their children with other relatives or care givers or even left them with older siblings.
Lol, you know ZERO about psychology, huh?

The relationship between a child and its biological parents is unique, profound in importance, irreplaceable, and not simply interchangeable like an assembly line. But, this would all probably be better discussed separately in the Psychology subforum...
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Old 12-07-2015, 11:23 AM
 
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Lol, you know ZERO about psychology, huh?

The relationship between a child and its biological parents is unique, profound in importance, irreplaceable, and not simply interchangeable like an assembly line. But, this would all probably be better discussed separately in the Psychology subforum...
Is that your way of trying to sound superior?
I am not a psychologist, no.
A parent is still an important part of a child's life even when that child is in daycare or with another caregiver for part of the day.

Perhaps instead of the psychology subforum you post some actual studies proving that children who attend daycare are damaged due to being deprived of the profound importance of having a biological parent, well mother, change every diaper, wipe every nose, prepare every feeding.
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Old 12-07-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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Let's consider the time that stupid woman took perusing some book of non-traditional names for your AA child to finally settle on J'zyra and the time it might have taken her to spend teaching her kiddies the evils of the hot stove........
I won't lie, without even clicking the link, I guessed the kids were black based on that name. Do black parents not realize how much of a hindrance naming your child something like that is? There's been way too many studies that someone named Shawn would be hired over someone named LeShawn or DeShawn.

Stupid is as stupid does.
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Old 12-07-2015, 11:30 AM
 
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A blog or a religious site cannot be correct? COMMON EFFING SENSE cannot be correct?
It dosent prove anything. Its no more valid than my opinion.



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All children WOULD be objects of parental love and direction if individual people would do things in the right order, observe reality, observe logic, and not behave like impulsive retarded animals. I say retarded, because even normal animals like squirrels and ravens and deer know how to reproduce properly and care for their young.
And if frogs had wings they wouldnt bump their butts on the ground.


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Or maybe if women would pick the right men, LEGALLY MARRY AND COMMIT TO THEM, and not spread their legs indiscriminately and recreationally, and arrange up front and plan up front and organize up front and execute up front so that staying home was the plan, then maybe a rational and correct and loving environment would be the result. Such an environment is a CHOICE and a DECISION, not an ACCIDENT or HAPPENSTANCE.
And even when they do these tragedies happen.


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I put the blame on women
Of course you do.




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They shouldn't be in daycare ever. They should be HOME WITH MOM 24/7/356/100% until school starts. Not dumped in an institutional pit with 100s of other screaming infected brats whose parents equally neglected their own. DAY CARE IS CHILD ABUSE.

It's a damned bad scene. But it is a choice. A decision. A course of action.
Why stop there.
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Old 12-07-2015, 11:31 AM
 
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Perhaps instead of the psychology subforum you post some actual studies proving that children who attend daycare are damaged due to being deprived of the profound importance of having a biological parent, well mother, change every diaper, wipe every nose, prepare every feeding.
Lol, well why even pair bond and have monogamous marriages then? A kiss is a kiss is a kiss, no matter who it's from. Everyone is interchangeable, right?

All that matters is what they can do for us, not who they are?

Again, this debate is better reserved for a psychological section...
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