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Old 12-29-2015, 07:37 AM
 
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You realize a kindergarten class day is about 2 1/2 hours? Some of that time is spent with specialists, e.g. art, music, PE.

You are accusing the mother of lying.

ETA: Two writing sessions and a reindeer party, plus other unspecified Christmas activities.
""The field trip was tied to two writing workshops that were supposed to be spent writing to Santa," the woman, identified only as Talia, tells ABC7. "There was also a reindeer party and other Christmas related activities. There was nothing done for the Diwali festival" or for Ramadan, she adds, noting there are also Muslim and Hindu students in the class."
Kindergarten Parent Accused of Ruining Christmas
Kindergarten at that school is 5 1/2 hours long, not 2 1/2. Even excluding recess and lunch, that leaves more than 4 hours/day of instructional time.


If the mother meant that 20+ hours that week were spent on Christmas-related activities, I'd want some proof, but I wouldn't call her a liar. What I believe she meant is that every day had some Christmas-ish activities at the expense of other holidays.


The same as with you're statement that:"You realize a kindergarten class day is about 2 1/2 hours? "
I won't call you a liar because you simply might not know the truth.

 
Old 12-29-2015, 07:38 AM
 
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Its beyond me how anyone thinks everyone should act the same, be the same all the time in the name of equality.
It beyond me also how 5 yr. olds can write a letter. I thought they were just learning the alphabet? Are kindergartners that advanced these days that they can compose and pen a letter?
 
Old 12-29-2015, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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It beyond me also how 5 yr. olds can write a letter. I thought they were just learning the alphabet? Are kindergartners that advanced these days that they can compose and pen a letter?
My kids were being taught to write at 4 and could write before they went to the kindergarten. Of course they wouldn't be very coherent but rather something like "Me love puppy and mom dad" (in that order )

I don't expect that these kids would be writing Pulitzer-winning essays, more like a few words and a lot of pictures.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 07:52 AM
 
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My kids were being taught to write at 4 and could write before they went to the kindergarten. Of course they wouldn't be very coherent but rather something like "Me love puppy and mom dad" (in that order )

I don't expect that these kids would be writing Pulitzer-winning essays, more like a few words and a lot of pictures.
Really. That is pretty advanced. Especially in whatever region you live where there is such a strong fundamentalist population. Usually religious fundamentalism and education don't go hand in hand.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Kindergarten at that school is 5 1/2 hours long, not 2 1/2. Even excluding recess and lunch, that leaves more than 4 hours/day of instructional time.


If the mother meant that 20+ hours that week were spent on Christmas-related activities, I'd want some proof, but I wouldn't call her a liar. What I believe she meant is that every day had some Christmas-ish activities at the expense of other holidays.


The same as with you're statement that:"You realize a kindergarten class day is about 2 1/2 hours? "
I won't call you a liar because you simply might not know the truth.
I think you're conflating lying with just being wrong, and negligent for not checking the facts first. In my kids' school in Colorado, K was about 2 1/2 hours. I should have checked what it is in California.

However, there have been some posts, such as this one by you: "I'd put the odds of the class spending 5 days on Christmas or Christianity or whatever the mother meant by 'one culture' as 0%.", that basically accuse this mother of lying when she says that they spent the entire week on "Christmas". The mom documented two letter writing sessions, a reindeer party and some other unspecified Christmas activities. The reindeer party could well have taken up the great majority of the 5 hour class period, including set-up and clean-up, which they usually expect the kids to help with.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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Really. That is pretty advanced. Especially in whatever region you live where there is such a strong fundamentalist population. Usually religious fundamentalism and education don't go hand in hand.
Michigan used to have pretty good education system, although it's been spinning it's wheels for the past decade.

After all, all these engineers, researchers and skilled technicians concentrated in Metro Detroit area did not come from California. The majority went to the local schools and colleges. Doesn't stop the majority of them from being religious, although I wouldn't use the term "fundamentalist".

Some kids in the kindergarten had to be taught alphabet, but I'd say over half knew it already, could read slowly, and some could write letters / words / small sentences.

Anyway, my kids were taught to read and write at home before they went to kindergarten. We had a very good practice book that really worked wonders, although I can't remember the title now.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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My kids were being taught to write at 4 and could write before they went to the kindergarten. Of course they wouldn't be very coherent but rather something like "Me love puppy and mom dad" (in that order )

I don't expect that these kids would be writing Pulitzer-winning essays, more like a few words and a lot of pictures.
26 years ago, my oldest was "writing" in K. There would be pictures, a few words and the teacher would circulate and spell out some words the child wanted to use but couldn't figure out.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 08:22 AM
 
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Nowadays kids start writing in preschool. I actually think it's a bad idea (their muscles are not properly developed to hold pencils the right way, for one thing) but it is what it is. I;m sure the teacher put things on the board like "Dear Santa" for the kids to copy, or perhaps they were allowed to paste pictures from magazines instead of writing. I'm not sure I see the relevance though to the topic.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 08:30 AM
 
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Nowadays kids start writing in preschool. I actually think it's a bad idea (their muscles are not properly developed to hold pencils the right way, for one thing) but it is what it is. I;m sure the teacher put things on the board like "Dear Santa" for the kids to copy, or perhaps they were allowed to paste pictures from magazines instead of writing. I'm not sure I see the relevance though to the topic.
It's relevant to some people's claim that the mother was lying about the kids spending two days writing letters to Santa.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 08:44 AM
 
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Nowadays kids start writing in preschool. I actually think it's a bad idea (their muscles are not properly developed to hold pencils the right way, for one thing) but it is what it is. I;m sure the teacher put things on the board like "Dear Santa" for the kids to copy, or perhaps they were allowed to paste pictures from magazines instead of writing. I'm not sure I see the relevance though to the topic.
Not really that relevant but some posters were worried about the writing letters to Santa. I guess that will somehow convert them to Christianity, IDK. I just got to thinking how advanced K writing is and is it something to be concerned about. So is this kid freaking out thinking I have write to this imaginary man and ask for something I know I wont get because he is not real and my family is Jewish so we don't get gifts at Christmas from an imaginary man anyway. I'm surprised the kid isnt like this is stupid and starts telling all the other kids that Santa isnt real.

Here is an example of K writing I found.
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