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Old 01-03-2016, 08:04 PM
 
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So the jury of their peers that heard all the evidence in the case and found them guilty of arson was wrong?


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Originally Posted by dpm1 View Post
The lit the fire on private property, it MAY HAVE spread to federal property and a whole acre burned .

It is not entirely clear if it did actually spread as the burn was set to control an ongoing fire and if it did, lol a whole acre? oh no.

The 1st fire has less clear justifications around it.
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Old 01-03-2016, 08:06 PM
 
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So the jury of their peers that heard all the evidence in the case and found them guilty of arson was wrong?
Not necessarily. But 5 years for a burn? Yup that's wrong, sounds like the original judge agrees to.

Its a good thing we treat accomplices to terror super strictly... oh wait.
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Old 01-03-2016, 08:09 PM
 
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So the jury of their peers that heard all the evidence in the case and found them guilty of arson was wrong?
This poster must think we are naive and we gonna believe this was "an accident"

Controlled fired on private property? Please. It was a deliberate act.
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Old 01-03-2016, 08:15 PM
 
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This poster must think we are naive and we gonna believe this was "an accident"

Controlled fired on private property? Please. It was a deliberate act.
What was the intent of fire number 2? Beyond of course protecting their property from already burning fires?
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Old 01-03-2016, 08:20 PM
 
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Not necessarily. But 5 years for a burn? Yup that's wrong, sounds like the original judge agrees to.

Its a good thing we treat accomplices to terror super strictly... oh wait.
Mandatory sentences suck sometimes but it doesn't mean this government parasite is as innocent as your title implies.

The jury's job is not to write or interpret the law, they just need to decide if the defendant is guilty or not.

If you wanna change the law then that's what voting is for.
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Old 01-03-2016, 08:23 PM
 
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The jury's job is not to write or interpret the law, they just need to decide if the defendant is guilty or not.
Actually that is absolutely part to what juries do here in the US. By some numbers jurors nullified 60% of booze cases in the age of prohibition. We the people as jurors are trying the laws as much as the accused every time we enter the box. It is a shame more people dont consider that.
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:27 PM
 
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Simple. The judge in the case ignored the law and handed them a slap on the wrist. The prosecution appealed and easily won, so now they have to serve the minimum sentence mandated by federal statute.
If the property in question is state land state law would take precedence unless being appealed; a federal judge would need to FWD it for consideration it to SCOTUS.

Some people want government to pass more laws about something until the federal government is but an all encompassing HOA responsible for our food supply, health and education.
When they control public lands they can control your every movement such as driving on county, state or federally maintained roads.

Doesn't seem too far in the future as at least 1/3 of the above is already in place.
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Old 01-04-2016, 03:09 AM
 
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The Hammonds had a TRIAL. With a defense, witnesses giving testimony, the whole nine yards. They were convicted of arson. There's no doubt that due to their actions more than 100 acres of Federal land were burned. That's land owned by you and me and in this case a wildlife preserve that attracts international attention. The only possible room for argument is the length of the sentence they were given. The Hammonds say they always planned to return to prison as they were ordered and the protesters do not represent them.

That's how we do things according to the U.S. Constitution. I don't know what Constitution these protesters are reading.

And to compare themselves with "peaceful" demonstrators when they are armed to the teeth is a joke. I don't remember Mahatma Gandhi carrying an AK-47 and he changed history.
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Old 01-04-2016, 06:37 AM
 
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I am pretty sure that if any of us started a fire on private lands that we owned and it spread to surrounding areas owned by the govt or others there will be some type of jail time or fines coming our way.
If they think they are being treated unfairly we have a court of law for that, no one should be allowed to take matters into their own hands, take over govt property with weapons and threaten to use them to defend themselves from being evicted from buildings that don't belong to them.
There was. And then after serving that time, the government came back and decided they wanted them to serve more time.

I'm curious - what was your opinion of the Occupy folks, that took over govt property and refused to leave?
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Old 01-04-2016, 07:07 AM
 
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There was. And then after serving that time, the government came back and decided they wanted them to serve more time.

I'm curious - what was your opinion of the Occupy folks, that took over govt property and refused to leave?
If i recall correctly, the Occupy folks were unarmed and when it was deemed appropriate to remove them from areas, law enforcement was pretty much able to do so without undue threat.

Occupy was not an armed insurrection.

Try again.
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