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Old 02-23-2016, 06:24 PM
 
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Silicon Valley billionaire demands $30m to restore access to former public beach | US news | The Guardian
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Old 02-23-2016, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Atlantis
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He is requesting $30 million from the 'state of California'.




That is $30 million that the state of California is in possession of due to confiscatory taxation, rather than by having earned it.


Now, a guy is exercising his legal rights in an attempt to tax the state of California for $30 million.




I'm sure the politicians in California are crying over how unfair this must be.
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Old 02-23-2016, 08:08 PM
 
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That is $30 million that the state of California is in possession of due to confiscatory taxation, rather than by having earned it.

Now, a guy is exercising his legal rights in an attempt to tax the state of California for $30 million.
Though the state of California does take a lot, it is not taking property from this jerk. The purchaser knew way in advance that:

- Easements often exist in California across private land to beaches
- That the area from the low tide to the mean high tide is public property
- That a historic easement has existed on that property for generations.

Basically, the billionaire purchased the land, but does not control the easement. Heck, I have an easement on my property as well. It is called the side walk.
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Old 02-23-2016, 08:44 PM
 
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These are the same jerk waters who will demand that the state and Federal government protect their property from storm damage. Hope a good storm surge/global warming/typhoon whatever is necessary wash him and his property into the sea.
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Old 02-24-2016, 03:25 AM
 
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This filthy rich arrogant snob is holding a public beach hostage for ransom!... He's kidnapped the beach!
He should go to jail!
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Old 02-24-2016, 08:21 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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This guy is a disgusting turd. We should deport him.
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Old 02-24-2016, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
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This wouldn't happen in Hawaii...................

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Old 02-24-2016, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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Originally Posted by Skydive Outlaw View Post
He is requesting $30 million from the 'state of California'.

That is $30 million that the state of California is in possession of due to confiscatory taxation, rather than by having earned it.

Now, a guy is exercising his legal rights in an attempt to tax the state of California for $30 million.

I'm sure the politicians in California are crying over how unfair this must be.


States operate on 'confiscatory taxation' (because 'voluntary taxation' doesn't work so well).

You know, all those streets and roads and highways and freeways? Public utilities? Airports and ports? Schools and universities? Police forces and fire departments? Public hospitals? Prosecutors and judges and prisons?

Yes. They're expensive. They're particularly expensive for a state that has a larger population than five out of every six countries. But aside from all that, in your myopic fixation on Sacramento, it apparently eludes you that it's the populace that is being wronged here by this billionaire jackass you so admire. I suppose in some fantasies, the work would work just peachy if we all just said "No! I refuse to pay any taxes!". But we don't live on your imagination, we live in the real world - where things work much differently.

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This wouldn't happen in Hawaii...................

Public Access Rights | UH Sea Grant
The public has access to all California beaches as well. The problem isn't a deficient law, it's a billionaire jackass who is in flagrant violation of the law.
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Old 02-24-2016, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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The state could condemn the land and buy it for less money. He wouldn't accept their offer but then a public hearing would be held and nobody in attendance would try and fight this since the community is unhappy with him anyway.
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Old 02-24-2016, 01:08 PM
 
Location: 3.5 sq mile island ant nest next to Canada
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The commission or the Friends of Whatever could file for a prescriptive easement (adverse possession) for access to the beach. $30 M is a hugely ridiculous price, I agree. The guy may be a jackwad, asshat, jerk, etc, but he's the jackwad who owns the property and as owner can do as he legally pleases. It may be different (most likely is) in California but in my state waterfront owners own to the mean low water mark unless it specifically calls out mean high water on the deed. But we have a 1600s common law allowing fishing, fowling, and/or navigation over property like this. Who's to say he didn't get tired of policing up empty beer and soda cans from his property. Maybe he got tired of raucous midnight parties on his beach while he was visiting. Hard to impress your "money" friends with drunks running around. Or maybe he was worried some drunk would step in a hole twist his ankle and sue his deep pockets clean. Bottom line is it's his lot of land at least that they have to cross whether he owns the beach itself or not. He's hiding behind property rights, darn it all.
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