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Old 03-09-2018, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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How can so many of you be so insensitive? Sure this kid did something dumb. But now his life is gone. And those who describe his life now and the cost of keeping him alive, who is going to make the decision to pull all the assistance and let him die? Is that your choice?
If I were the kid, I would want that to be the choice at that point. no hope of recovery he might learn to hold his head up but he will never have the quality of life he had before. I wouldnt want to be a burden on my family financially. I would never eat a slug but if something ever happened and I was in that kids shoes I wouldnt want to keep going like that.
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Old 03-09-2018, 04:02 PM
 
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Honestly, it is hard for me to feel compassion for him because of what he did. It is debatable on whether one can say "his health condition is because he brought it upon himself", but I would have to agree with that statement. You choose to eat a slug out of a dare and now you have to face the consequences, even if you made that decision at age 10 or 11.
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Old 03-09-2018, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Log "cabin" west of Bangor
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How can so many of you be so insensitive? Sure this kid did something dumb. But now his life is gone. And those who describe his life now and the cost of keeping him alive, who is going to make the decision to pull all the assistance and let him die? Is that your choice?
Well, under a socialized/gov't medical program, wouldn't the State make that decision?
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Old 03-09-2018, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Well, under a socialized/gov't medical program, wouldn't the State make that decision?
Nope. However under a capitalist insurance system, your insurer is more than willing to let you die if you get too expensive.
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Old 03-09-2018, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If I were the kid, I would want that to be the choice at that point. no hope of recovery he might learn to hold his head up but he will never have the quality of life he had before. I wouldnt want to be a burden on my family financially. I would never eat a slug but if something ever happened and I was in that kids shoes I wouldnt want to keep going like that.
What choice does he have?
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Old 03-10-2018, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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How can so many of you be so insensitive? Sure this kid did something dumb. But now his life is gone. And those who describe his life now and the cost of keeping him alive, who is going to make the decision to pull all the assistance and let him die? Is that your choice?

While it may be insensitive not everyone is gonna gush over such stupidity.

If I was in such situation I would have no interest in living being a burden to my family. I would want to go
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Old 03-10-2018, 03:12 AM
 
Location: Sydney Australia
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Well, under a socialized/gov't medical program, wouldn't the State make that decision?
No, except that euthanasia is illegal in all states except Victoria. There it is only legal if a person has an illness with six months or less to live. It is certainly legal to choose to have life support turned off and that is very common. It is legal in Western Australia and I think elsewhere to choose to starve yourself. It is legal to refuse any sort of treatment. The choice is with the patient within the bounds of the prevailing law. The state governments are responsible for the laws on euthanasia. Medical decisions are made by the doctors in consultation with patients or their nominee. Insurers, if one has private insurance, do not have a role in medical decisions to my knowledge. The role of the state is only legislative. For example in my state it is illegal to administer a drug to euthanise a patient and it is illegal to assist in a suicide.
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Old 03-10-2018, 05:41 AM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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How can so many of you be so insensitive? Sure this kid did something dumb. But now his life is gone. And those who describe his life now and the cost of keeping him alive, who is going to make the decision to pull all the assistance and let him die? Is that your choice?
I would hope it is the families. If it was my son, and he was never going to be better, I'd allow him to die in peace. Lying in a bed on complete life support isn't living. Why is it that people seldom subject their pets to 'living' in great pain or no longer responsive because the pet won't suffer anymore. I know at least in the US the patient must file a directive on the scope of treatment. Many people have them as they don't wish to be kept alive when everything they are is already gone.
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Old 03-10-2018, 07:22 AM
 
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Nope. However under a capitalist insurance system, your insurer is more than willing to let you die if you get too expensive.
In our system insurance would have stopped paying once he was on maintenance care. He would be on Medicaid now in a nursing home if he were here.
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Old 03-10-2018, 07:29 AM
 
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I would hope it is the families. If it was my son, and he was never going to be better, I'd allow him to die in peace. Lying in a bed on complete life support isn't living. Why is it that people seldom subject their pets to 'living' in great pain or no longer responsive because the pet won't suffer anymore. I know at least in the US the patient must file a directive on the scope of treatment. Many people have them as they don't wish to be kept alive when everything they are is already gone.
It's hard when the time comes. My mother was my grandmothers health care POA and when the time came in the hospital asked whether to give her a feeding tube or let her die in case of emergency, my mom was freaking out and unable to make the choice even though my grandmom did have a living will. I had to say no to the hospital.

No one would expect a 12 year old to have an Advance Directive though. I don't atually think a healthy minor could even get one, the law would not allow a minor to decide that for himself.
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