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Old 03-28-2019, 06:31 PM
 
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and you better do as he/she says, or else!

https://abc7ny.com/swat-team-with-gu...fever/5220780/
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:21 PM
 
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But now, local lawmakers say it went too far.
Indeed it did.... This country has gone insane!!
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Old 03-29-2019, 12:51 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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This is what it’s all about right here, from OPs link:
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... the 2-year-old, who isn't vaccinated ...
Now, what’s so stupid about this, is that since just prior to the 2017-18 flu season; the CDC knuckled down on its; “Antibiotic Stewardship Statement for Antibiotic Guidlines” commitment; supposedly out of concern for antibiotic resistant microbials from the “overprescribing” of antibiotics. Enter the flu season & subsequent “80,000 deaths from influenza-related pneumonia & sepsis”; almost all of which had a common denominator:

Caught flu, symptoms worsened, went to Dr., ER, Urgent Care & ... sent home to “try over the counter symptom relievers” & “watchful waiting”. Dead within 2-3 days from the secondary bacterial pneumonia & sepsis.”

Step two: Publish sad story with a reminder that vaccines are your “best defense”.

Eighty thousand people died last year in a first-world country from an infection easily treated with IV fluids, supplemental O2 & Antibiotics? Yes. The most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of.

So basically; they wouldn’t have done anything anyway for this two-year old, because the 2year old didn’t yet meet the criteria (such as a diagnostic confirmation) needed to “allow” a doctor to prescribe the only thing effective for a bacterial infection.

To avoid dying in a first-world country from a treatable, bacterial infection; I would imagine one would do best to opt for an old school PCP; white, male, old & cantakerous. A horrible bedside manner might be helpful too; as you want your doctor to be “over” any med school insecurities & to be one to not GAF about being told what to do. Bear in mind that newer, eager to please doctors are going to be susceptible to this recommended tactic:
“Peer Comparison”:
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Then, each month, using EHR (electronic health record) data ... clinicians are ranked from highest to lowest. Rankings are typically only shared with the program team and administration, however sites may choose to share rankings with all clinicians.
Clinicians with the lowest inappropriate prescribing rates (the top-performing 10th percentile) will be informed that they are a “top performer” in a congratulatory email.
The remaining clinicians will be told that they are “not a top performer” by email. Emails will include the number and proportion of inappropriate antibiotic prescriptions written for a month for non-antibiotic-appropriate ARI cases and the proportion written by Top Performers.
http://www.shea-online.org/images/pr...LKIT_final.pdf I personally, want a doctor who will tell them to stick their “not a top performer” rating where the sun does not shine.

So, I’m not sure why this family was targeted. They only vaccine he would have been old enough to get that could have prevented meningitis was the pneumococcal vaccination that can immunize against the bacteria called “pneumococcus.” But they only “thought” he had meningitis, meaning there had been no diagnostics done. The stupid “guidlines” state that not only do diagnostics have to be done but that they should only be done under strict qualifiers. A child who’s fever reduces spontaneously will not qualify as indicating a need for the diagnostic. They caused all that drama because they couldn’t waste $1,000+ & 4 hours in an ER just to tell the parents to give him a Tylenol & “watch & wait”? Makes no sense.

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Old 03-29-2019, 03:12 AM
 
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Oh there is so much more to this story. The parents took the child to a naturopath who told them to take the child to the hospital. Child had a temp of 105. It was the doctor from the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine that requested a welfare check because the child had not been taken to the hospital. Officers were not allowed by the parents to check on the toddler. They did force open the door and found that the toddler and two other children were sick. There was vomit everywhere and an unlocked shotgun next to the bed in the parents's bedroom.
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Old 03-29-2019, 04:11 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Oh there is so much more to this story. The parents took the child to a naturopath who told them to take the child to the hospital. Child had a temp of 105. It was the doctor from the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine that requested a welfare check because the child had not been taken to the hospital. Officers were not allowed by the parents to check on the toddler. They did force open the door and found that the toddler and two other children were sick. There was vomit everywhere and an unlocked shotgun next to the bed in the parents's bedroom.

This changes everything, can you provide a link so we can read more?
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Old 03-29-2019, 04:24 AM
 
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This changes everything, can you provide a link so we can read more?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/28/us/ar...er-with-fever/
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Old 03-29-2019, 05:24 AM
 
Location: 912 feet above sea level
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and you better do as he/she says, or else!

https://abc7ny.com/swat-team-with-gu...fever/5220780/
Aside from the tactical response, the fact is that there are laws that require a certain minimal level of care for children to be provided by parents. Society as a whole isn't cool with some parents choosing to deny their children medical care. Again, that question is separate from the matter of sending in a SWAT team - but you're the one who is focusing on the notion that, heaven forbid, a medical professional ever report to law enforcement when parents are denying medical care to their children.

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Oh there is so much more to this story. The parents took the child to a naturopath who told them to take the child to the hospital. Child had a temp of 105. It was the doctor from the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine that requested a welfare check because the child had not been taken to the hospital. Officers were not allowed by the parents to check on the toddler. They did force open the door and found that the toddler and two other children were sick. There was vomit everywhere and an unlocked shotgun next to the bed in the parents's bedroom.
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Well, now you're totally spoiling the entire "OMG, GOVERNMENT RUN AMOK!" hysteria this thread was supposed to be all about...
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Old 03-29-2019, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Facts always ruin hysteria or posts like #3.

No stage for ranting.
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Old 03-29-2019, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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I'm too tired to get out my pitchfork, plus the facts kinda ruined my rage.
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Old 03-29-2019, 10:15 AM
 
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Facts always ruin hysteria or posts like #3.

No stage for ranting.

Not sure where I fall on this. First, another misreporting is that it was a SWAT team. It was not. It was just a group of officers.

But.. While I certainly don't think this is the case.. What if these people were Christian Scientists? While I certainly don't agree with those people.. We do allow freedom of religion and they are allowed to not take their kids to the doctor at all.
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