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Old 07-05-2019, 09:31 PM
 
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This law would be easily enforceable. If people film, at least one person is going to try to get paid by a news service, or will post it online so their friends can see. Once they do either, its easy to find them. And, in their video, you may find other people taking video.

However . . . do we really want to reduce the number of people taking videos? It is possible that someone caught the perpetrators on their video. If the perpetrators are identified, they will face criminal charges and civil litigation, the latter potentially paying the victims hospital bills forever. Thus, I ask: Do we really want to discourage people from recording what happened?
I understand what you are saying, Bless those young men
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Old 07-05-2019, 09:49 PM
 
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Road rage is getting out of control.

People are dying, not too long ago in one incident one woman stabbed another woman in the throat over some traffic argument and the woman died. Everyday something is happening.
And that woman who died left a child motherless. Over something totally inconsequential. What the hell is wrong with people?
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Old 07-05-2019, 09:52 PM
 
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This law would be easily enforceable. If people film, at least one person is going to try to get paid by a news service, or will post it online so their friends can see. Once they do either, its easy to find them. And, in their video, you may find other people taking video.

However . . . do we really want to reduce the number of people taking videos? It is possible that someone caught the perpetrators on their video. If the perpetrators are identified, they will face criminal charges and civil litigation, the latter potentially paying the victims hospital bills forever. Thus, I ask: Do we really want to discourage people from recording what happened?
True, maybe someone got a better video to identify the two guys who shot at the car. It takes a lot to run to a burning car with fireworks going off, so it’s really good that these people were willing to do it.
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Old 07-05-2019, 11:57 PM
 
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Honestly , people who just stop and film a tragedy instead of helping should have to pay a huge fine.
Why?
People should have the right to be able to decide they don't want to put themselves in danger of bodily harm without facing legal consequences.
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Old 07-06-2019, 06:11 AM
 
Location: NJ
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https://abc13.com/3-men-rescue-famil...oting/5380597/

This is crazy! Two guys shot at a truck that supposedly cut them off and hit fireworks, causing it to catch fire and severely burn the passengers including two toddlers in the back seat. Thankfully three young men saw it and stopped to help. Otherwise I don’t know if the people in the truck could have got out in time. The guys said so many people just kept going or were too busy filming to stop and help.

People, stop that! Help like these guys did! I want them to get some recognition for what they did because they deserve it, but also to inspire others to stop and help.
How horrifying to hear the little ones screaming that they're burning!

I also don't agree with people filming but it could end up being a good thing if one of them has something of the car the shots came from. Hopefully they're able to catch the person.

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Citizens are not forced to stop and render aid to strangers, in situations where they didn't cause the harm, tottsieanna.

WHEN will we stop it with this desire to charge people with fines and crimes for crimes that are not actually on the books?

And a follow up question - would you have rushed into that burning inferno to rescue those babies? Guess not.
No question, yes. I am not the type to sit on the side to watch or film. I would have done whatever I could to help. My dad was the same way.

Back in the 80's I was driving on a major NJ highway to pick my son up from preschool when my car seemed to lose power. I was able to get to the shoulder; saw smoke starting. I was able to get everything out of my car before someone with a fire extinguisher stopped.

Had that been my car with the fireworks, I would have been pulled over grabbing the kids out.
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Old 07-06-2019, 06:38 AM
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How horrifying to hear the little ones screaming that they're burning!

I also don't agree with people filming but it could end up being a good thing if one of them has something of the car the shots came from. Hopefully they're able to catch the person.



No question, yes. I am not the type to sit on the side to watch or film. I would have done whatever I could to help. My dad was the same way.

Back in the 80's I was driving on a major NJ highway to pick my son up from preschool when my car seemed to lose power. I was able to get to the shoulder; saw smoke starting. I was able to get everything out of my car before someone with a fire extinguisher stopped.

Had that been my car with the fireworks, I would have been pulled over grabbing the kids out.
I certainly don't film crises - but I'm not sure I'd be brave enough to enter a car engulfed in flames, which is what, at first blush, the story indicates these young men did.

After the fact, it appears none of them suffered burns so maybe the flames were subdued by the time they were able to help, and at that point I absolutely would have been there to help out.
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Old 07-06-2019, 07:07 AM
 
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Honestly , people who just stop and film a tragedy instead of helping should have to pay a huge fine.
The problem isn't only the film makers. It is those who watch the films.
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Old 07-06-2019, 08:21 AM
 
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Why?
People should have the right to be able to decide they don't want to put themselves in danger of bodily harm without facing legal consequences.
You totally missed the point that if you can find the time to stand idly by and film a tragedy instead of ATTEMPTING as a priority to aid those in trouble ….. you should reap your just reward. Especially in today's America where the dream is to get rich any way you can… even at the expense of others misfortune.

We can't all be rockstars so put up a film taken of kids dying in the backseat of a burning truck on youtube, et-voila … $$$$$
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Old 07-06-2019, 08:28 AM
 
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Road rage is getting out of control.

People are dying, not too long ago in one incident one woman stabbed another woman in the throat over some traffic argument and the woman died. Everyday something is happening.
It's not out of control... violence is how we (collectively) entertain ourselves. Many are just acting on what they have taken in for years through TV, movies, video games, YouTube...

If you want to change it - stop taking it in.

We produce all of that rotgut and interact with it... do we expect a society of Rhodes scholars?
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:18 AM
 
Location: WMHT
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Angry America isn't the place to criminalize every moral failing, let the sharia nations do that

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You totally missed the point that if you can find the time to stand idly by and film a tragedy instead of ATTEMPTING as a priority to aid those in trouble ….. you should reap your just reward. Especially in today's America where the dream is to get rich any way you can… even at the expense of others misfortune.

We can't all be rockstars so put up a film taken of kids dying in the backseat of a burning truck on youtube, et-voila … $$$$$
Doesn't mean there needs to be a law enforcing this. We can't turn everything morally wrong into an illegal act, down that path lies madness.

If nobody paid for such videos, paid for advertising on them, or watched them... there'd be less incentive to stop and film tragedy.
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