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Old 07-10-2019, 12:34 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Wherever and whenever dogs roam free, there is a DOG problem. Because of the obnoxious and dangerous nature of these animals. To whatever degree people contributed to the problem's origin is tangential to that main issue.

The "love" for dogs that stems largely from the unending generational programming of children from the time they can crawl is one of the most irrational of all human behaviors. These obnoxious animals bite 4.5 million people each year in the US alone. And roughly a thousand seek emergency medical care every single day. That's 1000 per day!

These obnoxious animals are "best friends" to one person or one family. That's it. To the vast majority of others, they are obnoxious at best and much more like worst enemies. The "man's best friend" slogan is denial to the millionth power.

If people had polluted our human society a thousand years ago with wolverines everywhere you looked, then yes, we'd have a major problem caused originally by clueless human beings. That would not, however, diminish in any way or to any degree the vicious and unlovable nature of a wolverine.

Equally, the human origin of our DOG problem does not diminish the magnitude of detriment to our life quality that the saturation in our culture of these obnoxious animals causes.

Now you can't even book an airline flight with assurance that there won't be a dangerous animal on the lap of the moron in the adjacent seat.

Yes, people are clueless. That doesn't make dogs nice....or innocent. Two-legged creatures have no monopoly on evil.
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:41 PM
 
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Wherever and whenever dogs roam free, there is a DOG problem. Because of the obnoxious and dangerous nature of these animals. To whatever degree people contributed to the problem's origin is tangential to that main issue.
Just because you're afraid of dogs doesn't make them evil.

It's absolutely a people problem. If people would spay and neuter their pets, microchip them in case they got lost and provide adequate socialization and training (no tethering, no living outside in the back yard with minimal human contact) this wouldn't have happened.

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Old 07-10-2019, 12:54 PM
 
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I did see on an early version of a DailyMail article that it was a pack of pit bulls, but it's the DM so... But when googling "pit bulls florida" there are other sources that cite the same. It may be too soon for them to confirm.
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:59 PM
 
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Just because you're afraid of dogs doesn't make them evil.

It's absolutely a people problem. If people would spay and neuter their pets, microchip them in case they got lost and provide adequate socialization and training (no tethering, no living outside in the back yard with minimal human contact) this wouldn't have happened.
Yes, and it is also a people problem because people should be controlling the stray or feral dog populations. The local government needs to do something - either euthanize feral dogs and/or rescue stray ones. There is no reason packs of dogs should be roaming, free to attack. It is a "dog problem" in the sense that dogs attacked, and there is apparently a pack of feral dogs out there in that area, but it is not the dogs' fault that they are roaming or feral. This type of problem starts when people lose track of their dogs or don't take care of them, or let them roam, and when they aren't microchipped, spayed or neutered. Irresponsible stupid people create problems like these.
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Old 07-10-2019, 01:05 PM
 
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Absolutely agree that something needs to be done about feral and stray dogs. The local government should step in and take strays off the street and enforce the other laws relating to animals that are out there. I know in my city very few of the laws relating to animals are enforced.

It may or may not be pit bulls of course every dog that even remotely looks like a pit bull will be considered a pit even if there is no pit bull in them.
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Old 07-10-2019, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Not where I want to be
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Wherever and whenever dogs roam free, there is a DOG problem. Because of the obnoxious and dangerous nature of these animals. To whatever degree people contributed to the problem's origin is tangential to that main issue.

The "love" for dogs that stems largely from the unending generational programming of children from the time they can crawl is one of the most irrational of all human behaviors. These obnoxious animals bite 4.5 million people each year in the US alone. And roughly a thousand seek emergency medical care every single day. That's 1000 per day!

These obnoxious animals are "best friends" to one person or one family. That's it. To the vast majority of others, they are obnoxious at best and much more like worst enemies. The "man's best friend" slogan is denial to the millionth power.

If people had polluted our human society a thousand years ago with wolverines everywhere you looked, then yes, we'd have a major problem caused originally by clueless human beings. That would not, however, diminish in any way or to any degree the vicious and unlovable nature of a wolverine.

Equally, the human origin of our DOG problem does not diminish the magnitude of detriment to our life quality that the saturation in our culture of these obnoxious animals causes.

Now you can't even book an airline flight with assurance that there won't be a dangerous animal on the lap of the moron in the adjacent seat.

Yes, people are clueless. That doesn't make dogs nice....or innocent. Two-legged creatures have no monopoly on evil.
Wow! That sounds like the reaction I got from a boss when I brought my little 8" African Senegal into OT work on a Saturday one time. The guy just freaked out! Bird was caged too. I had never seen such a reaction. I didn't know people had real phobias about birds.

Heck, you've read my tales of being bitten and my magic words but I still am not phobic! That post is just wrong and illogical. No way are domestic dogs prone to killing people unless they have been taught to behave that way, packed up for survival or perceive danger to themselves. What do you think the first "dogs" were? They were wolves. Wolves that little by little made contact with humans for the food said humans were eating.

Now the problem is what some humans do with these domesticated dogs. Humans who get caught doing the despicable things they do to ANY animal should be done unto them.


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Just because you're afraid of dogs doesn't make them evil.

It's absolutely a people problem. If people would spay and neuter their pets, microchip them in case they got lost and provide adequate socialization and training (no tethering, no living outside in the back yard with minimal human contact) this wouldn't have happened.
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Old 07-10-2019, 01:22 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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These obnoxious animals bite 4.5 million people each year in the US alone. And roughly a thousand seek emergency medical care every single day. That's 1000 per day!
TBH, to put this statistic into perspective and to evaluate how risky/not risky dog ownership is, you'd have to compare it to the total number of domestic dogs living in the USA. A very different picture.

You may also want to investigate injuries from cats; bites and scratches. Statistics for this bring up about 400,000 reported bites/scratches per year in the US, 66,000 emergency room visits.

Of course how and why statistics like the ones quoted are compiled matters. What percentage of reported bites were multiples from the same problem dogs? What is the definition of a "bite"? A nip from a 3 month old puppy versus an intentional bite from an adult panicked dog at a vet's office versus a blatantly aggressive bite from a stray? You can deceive very effectively with statistics to forward an agenda if you know how. Even the CDC, which was the source for the bite reporting quoted above. Many C-D members already know the somewhat distorted anti-dog agendas a couple of responders to this thread carry close to their hearts.

Do dogs bite people?
Yes, they do.
Will every dog bite someone during its lifetime?
No they won't.
Does every person interacting with a dog get bitten?
No, they don't.

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Old 07-10-2019, 01:32 PM
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I did see on an early version of a DailyMail article that it was a pack of pit bulls, but it's the DM so... But when googling "pit bulls florida" there are other sources that cite the same. It may be too soon for them to confirm.

The 6 dogs that were captured running wild and whose teeth matched the bite marks were reported to be pit bull mixes, but they're waiting for DNA results to confirm these are the real culprits.
https://www.yoursun.com/sebring/news...9610049f1.html
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Old 07-10-2019, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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A periodic "open season" on dogs would go a long way toward solving the problem. Like feral hogs in Texas, where it is always open season.

if animal control officers can't handle the work load, let volunteers do it.
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Old 07-10-2019, 08:35 PM
 
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The 6 dogs that were captured running wild and whose teeth matched the bite marks were reported to be pit bull mixes, but they're waiting for DNA results to confirm these are the real culprits.
https://www.yoursun.com/sebring/news...9610049f1.html
Frankly, any dog that mauls a person is reported to be a "pit bull." We watched a news report some time ago of a fatal mauling, and they showed the dog--unmistakably a purebred Rottweiler. The newscaster called it a "pit bull."
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