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This entire story is just so heartbreaking. I feel so badly for this grandfather who felt responsible for the death of his grand daughter, now he is facing murder charges over something that was clearly a tragic accident? What more must this man endure?
This entire story is just so heartbreaking. I feel so badly for this grandfather who felt responsible for the death of his grand daughter, now he is facing murder charges over something that was clearly a tragic accident? What more must this man endure?
There are no murder charges. But there is a case to be made for negligence.
This entire story is just so heartbreaking. I feel so badly for this grandfather who felt responsible for the death of his grand daughter, now he is facing murder charges over something that was clearly a tragic accident? What more must this man endure?
Heartbreaking. Yes.
Negligent behavior contributed to the death of this baby.
The family says Royal Caribbean is responsible for the death.
Prosecutors say GrandPa is responsible for the death.
In people magazine, the lawyer claims the the video exonerates the grandfather. He apparently showed them 2 clips one of her being propped up by her feet then on her bottom before she fell out.
I think the grandfather put her up there for a better view and Chloe believing there was glass lounged forward and fell out because the grandfather was not holding her properly. It made no sense for him to lift her to bang on the glass as he claimed when she could have did so from the ground.
Regardless he should never have put her on the railing because as mentioned before she could have fallen to the ground inside the ship and got injured. The lawyer claiming that the window was not designed to prevent kids from falling out when it was out of reach and behind a railing makes no sense.
The lawyer stated the lawsuit will be filed in 2 weeks. Companies usually settle, but I really hope Royal Caribbean does not. Since it appears he did not dangle her out the window as initially reported I do not agree with charging him. However, he made a mistake and I think the family needs to accept that and stop trying to lay blame elsewhere.
This is a good point, and I haven't gone that many pages back so idk if this was addressed yet but the DailyMail was given access to the video by the family's lawyer and an author of an article about it described what grandpa did as "lifting Chloe up to give her a better view before he places her on a metal railing, still holding her with two hands as the pair lean forward to get a better view." This person actually saw the video and claims they both leaned forward, which would suggest both that he knew the window was open (imo; picked the open one so they could kind of lean forward and have a less obstructed view), and that he lifted her to show her the view, not to let her bang on the glass.
No one else has had public access to the video afaik so for now, I do have to say, I trust this third-party viewer of the video's opinion (even though it's the DM) more than any biased family member or representative who is looking to paint the family/incident in a good, better light. If the video is ever released and/or if anyone else views and comments on it and their comments differ, then maybe I will be more convinced of the family's/lawyer's version of the story.
It sounds stupid to lift a toddler to a railing and place her on it in front of an open window 11 stories up to let her look out an open window; it sounds way better that it was a total honest mistake and he didn't even realize it was open and that he wanted to let her bang on the glass, something she apparently liked to do. This is why the lawyer/family is going with the "didn't know it was open, wanted her to bang on the glass" story, which I personally have both found was also stupid AND less likely since early on.
Harsh as it may sound, the allegation that RC is at fault is imo total BS, like annoyingly so. As I've said before in this thread, I think the fact that no similar accident has ever occurred on this ship (and afaik any other?) says a lot - this was a dumb mistake; the windows aren't an actual danger. Babies aren't and can't be falling out of them left and right, it's not a dangerous situation or area. It's adult stupidity or worse - criminal action - that would cause an adult or child to fall out that kind of window. RC or any other cruise line can't wrap everyone in bubble wrap and make the cruise ship 100% safe from all types of stupidity. They'd have to do things like entirely enclose a ship, that is meant to enjoy the breeze and nice views, with no ability to open windows or have balconies, in order for that to happen. Defeats the whole purpose of cruising. I also hope, if their suit goes forward, that the cruise line will fight this and won't settle. Unlikely, I think, but it's what I hope for.
This entire story is just so heartbreaking. I feel so badly for this grandfather who felt responsible for the death of his grand daughter, now he is facing murder charges over something that was clearly a tragic accident? What more must this man endure?
The grandfather felt understandably horribly about the death but the family stance is he is not responsible, Royal Caribbean and the vessel are.
RC or any other cruise line can't wrap everyone in bubble wrap and make the cruise ship 100% safe from all types of stupidity. They'd have to do things like entirely enclose a ship, that is meant to enjoy the breeze and nice views, with no ability to open windows or have balconies...
"Your honor, we will prove that by blocking the escape routes out to the open, the operators of the cruise ship MV Piffleball thoughtlessly - nay, callously - kept the passengers from escaping when the ship caught fire/hit an iceberg/encountered the Kraken."
Ships are ships. They're carefully made to not sink, not catch fire, not lose power in an unfortunate moment, to be safe to operate in all conditions. Modern ships do that amazingly well. But ships are not Disney parks and never will be.
My bad, I thought the story I read said he was being charged with murder. But this story still really bothers me and I do not feel like debating with posters who believe he is guilty of negligence and should suffer yet more punishment when this was nothing more than a tragic accident, that would just make me angry. So I'm out.
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