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Old 08-01-2019, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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A uniformed officer on his way to our from work is surely a "Lawful purpose."
I have to disagree on that. It is similar to the legal phrase "acting within the scope of employment".

Years ago I remember reading at the law library a Treatise from American Law Reports, ALR Digests, concerning if a LEO working a private security job acts "under color of law" for the employer.

Some jurisdictions, yes, others, no.

Since this was a federal building, any disputable terminology would fall under the U.S. Code appropriate title Annotations or the federal CFR.

"Lawful purpose" I would make a good bet is akin to "Acting under color of law and within the scope of
the law of Agency employment". Private business, as the deputy was on, does not conform to what should be applicable. That's my take, but as of now, I don't have any case law that deals with it, would have to research.
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Old 09-05-2019, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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New body cam footage from officers responding to the altercation between the Deputy and security guard at an IRS office. The security guard drew his weapon that what landed him in cuffs, but the Deputy now has a lawsuit wanting money he says he has PTSD. What about all the people Police draw their weapons on without any probably cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi7cjvB32Yw

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Old 09-05-2019, 11:30 PM
 
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That security guard is crazy. He's lucky the cop didn't shoot him.
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Old 09-06-2019, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Guard companies hire anyone with a pulse.
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Old 09-06-2019, 07:42 AM
 
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I couldn't view the video... incompatible codec.

Uhhhh, I have been to a courthouse enough times, that I am used to the protocol of "the guards" being US Marshalls relieving people of their weapons at the front door metal detectors. I myself have had to say "ohh shoot, lemme go put my pepper spray and my leatherman back in the car". It's usually no big deal.

I've been to the federal bldg downtime enough times, that everybody seems to know the heightened protocols since the Timothy McVeigh -era. Signs say leave your junk in the car. I'm suprized they put rent-a-cop/guard-card people at the front door, I assume that was a job only for sworn officers & federal law enforcement.

That's why it makes sense to me, that this wasn't a federal building. I'm thinking it was a IRS office in an office building.


We have an IRS office close to where I work. It's in an office building. I've been there once, and I don't even recall any kind of guard.
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Old 09-06-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Not where I want to be
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I have driven a person to the IRS office many times, it is in an office building. Not Federal at all. No metal detectors at the front door so I am always armed when I am in there. I don't remember seeing a guard either. At the SS office there is metal detector and a guard. That IS a Federal building. No way can I get in there armed.

Armed rent-a-cops get too big for their britches with that gun on their hip.
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Old 09-06-2019, 11:51 AM
 
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New body cam footage from officers responding to the altercation between the Deputy and security guard at an IRS office. The security guard drew his weapon that what landed him in cuffs, but the Deputy now has a lawsuit wanting money he says he has PTSD. What about all the people Police draw their weapons on without any probably cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi7cjvB32Yw
I believe the lawsuit was mentioned in the very first post. I don’t think that’s new.
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Old 09-06-2019, 11:52 AM
 
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I have driven a person to the IRS office many times, it is in an office building. Not Federal at all. No metal detectors at the front door so I am always armed when I am in there. I don't remember seeing a guard either. At the SS office there is metal detector and a guard. That IS a Federal building. No way can I get in there armed.

Armed rent-a-cops get too big for their britches with that gun on their hip.
Yes a lot of people keep equating it to a courthouse and it is nothing like a courthouse.
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Old 09-06-2019, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I believe the lawsuit was mentioned in the very first post. I don’t think that’s new.
I was referring to the body camera video that's new.
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Old 09-07-2019, 10:57 AM
 
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I was referring to the body camera video that's new.
Oh ok sorry.
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