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Death rates in Sweden have dropped to almost 0 and in many US states they are increasing. The final numbers on death rates are not final. For example Mississippi has gone up from 559 to 572 in the past few days.
Death rates in Sweden have dropped to almost 0 and in many US states they are increasing. The final numbers on death rates are not final. For example Mississippi has gone up from 559 to 572 in the past few days.
Is that a a reason to enact social medicine and for state sponsored lethal injections take away our right to life? Socialized medicine resulted in rationed healthcare and lethal injections of innocent people. We should not give into the state's lethal injection protocols for citizens, where there only crime was taking up an ICU bed.
Is that a a reason to enact social medicine and for state sponsored lethal injections take away our right to life? Socialized medicine resulted in rationed healthcare and lethal injections of innocent people. We should not give into the state's lethal injection protocols for citizens, where there only crime was taking up an ICU bed.
Sweden has had socialized medicine for a long time. It has nothing to do with their covid response.
Sweden has had socialized medicine for a long time. It has nothing to do with their covid response.
Socialized medicine results limited resources, they kill their patients when it's too expensive for the government. That's rationed healthcare. Sweden's COVID-19 answer for limited beds was morphine, midazolam, and haldol, shortly after admittance. They don't even give them a week. If they had a system run by private industry, those patients could pay for a bed that the state would not cover.
Last edited by move4ward; 08-02-2020 at 03:39 PM..
Sweden has nowhere near the lowest infection rate in Europe, in fact its per capita rate of new confirmed cases is still above the EU average (although that’s going to change given what’s happening in Spain). Yet you see evidence of your immunity unicorn theory in the finding that Sweden’s new infection rate is no longer 100 times higher than Finland’s like it was a month ago, now it’s just 15 times higher than Finland’s. Ok.
In my response to him I left out a key word from my original post. Sweden had the lowest infection growth rate in Europe and possibly the world the last half of July. Its not a unicorn theory, its simply math. Sorry to confuse, but you could have followed the short thread to my original post on this subject.
Combine that with the fact that there are people that have been exposed to the virus but don't get sick. I've seen nothing that quantifies this, but there is lots of evidence out there that some people don't get the virus when their circumstance suggests they should. Combine that with the studies showing Tcell response to this virus in people that presumably have not been expose to it suggests that there is a certain portion of our population that will not get sick no matter what happens.
All this suggests, and that is all I'm saying, that left to run wild, the virus won't infect nearly as many people as I have read in various places.
In fact, demonstrably, it has not caused nearly the number of infections or fatalities as earlier ICL or IHME models predicted when left unchecked. That is a problem because it shook public confidence in the modeling and official advisories. Now the same people are rolling out models based on masking, explaining how significant it will be to reduce infections. I can see why some people remain doubters.
COVID-19, Minorities, Vitamin D, and Air Pollution
Conquering air pollution is a long term challenge, but disproportionate rates of severe illness and deaths of African Americans due to COVID-19 reveals the immediacy of the crisis. Air pollution has been shown to play a significant role in vulnerablity to this virus, not just in the US but in many highly polluted areas across the globe. Here's an open access peer reviewed paper that points to some relevant factors.
This excerpt just scratches the surface of all that's in the paper: "Vitamin D deficiency and insufficiency (VDD) are widely recognized as risk factors for respiratory tract infections. Vitamin D influences expression of many genes with well-established relevance to airway infections and relevant to immune system function. Recently, VDD has been shown to be a risk factor for acquisition and severity of COVID-19. Thus, treating VDD presents a safe and inexpensive opportunity for modulating the severity of the disease. VDD is common in those over 60 years of age, many with co-morbid conditions and in people with skin pigmentation sufficient to reduce synthesis of vitamin D. Exposure to fine particulate air pollution is also associated with worse outcomes from COVID19...."
I came upon this info via this article in today's NY Times about an area of Philadelphia (Grays Ferry) that is near a massive industrial area full of oil refineries, storage tanks, pipelines and other emitters of fine soot particles that nearby minority residents breath-in and suffer cancer at disturbing rates.
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Socialized medicine results limited resources, they kill their patients when it's too expensive for the government. That's rationed healthcare. Sweden's COVID-19 answer for limited beds was morphine, midazolam, and haldol, shortly after admittance. They don't even give them a week. If they had a system run by private industry, those patients could pay for a bed that the state would not cover.
Why let facts come in the way of political dogma? That must be your motto.
If - you’d look at any actual rating of healthcare systems in the world - the national healthcare (what you are calling socialized medicine as a way of diminishing it) rate much higher.
Some of the best performance during Covid-19 has come from countries with national healthcare. I do not count Sweden among them but am quite your assertions about it (how they were kicking people out after one week) have no basis in fact. I would challenge you to produce any credible source for it. Sorry - Fox News doesn’t count.
But, who cares! Less one knows, the easier it is to tell others how it is.
Are people still promoting Sweden's approach to coronavirus?
Despite having the highest deaths and death rate among its Nordic neighbors?
It is important to analyze their data due to their different approach. Every time I report some data from there and it doesn't look bad, I always attract posts from people saying how wrong their approach was. That's not what's important. What's important is what can we learn from them, the good, bad and ugly.
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COVID-19, Minorities, Vitamin D, and Air Pollution
