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The shift in reporting on this virus once Biden gets into office is going to be staggering. The media will start focusing more on low case mortality rates as opposed to daily cases. When they do cite daily cases it will be with the explanation that any increase in daily cases is due to increased testing... an explanation the MSM has rarely afforded Trump. The media will shift from citing statistics that attack Trump's handling of the pandemic to statistics that defend Biden's handling of the pandemic.
Nope. Do you ever listen to radio stations from other countries? Because it's exactly the same. I only speak English so I listen to stations via wifi from the UK. It's ALL about the virus, the percentages, the lockdowns, the people who had parties, what city is the worst, when will things open up again, it's not fair and I have my rights, will they cancel Christmas. That's the way it has always been, that's the way it will always be. Whatever causes the most drama, that's what the media will cover. (and the UK media couldn't give a flying fig about Trump.)
Nope. Do you ever listen to radio stations from other countries? Because it's exactly the same. I only speak English so I listen to stations via wifi from the UK. It's ALL about the virus, the percentages, the lockdowns, the people who had parties, what city is the worst, when will things open up again, it's not fair and I have my rights, will they cancel Christmas. That's the way it has always been, that's the way it will always be. Whatever causes the most drama, that's what the media will cover. (and the UK media couldn't give a flying fig about Trump.)
The whole world is experiencing the same thing, but a part of our population believe it is all politics. It's all about us.
Our hospitalizations are at a record high, so higher mortality rates WILL follow. But they probably won't believe that either.
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Our hospitalizations are at a record high, so higher mortality rates WILL follow. But they probably won't believe that either.
The good news is record high hospitalizations are not leading to record high daily deaths as therapeutics have improved. I do question how is it that we are seeing record highs hospitalizations now compared to the Spring? Back in early March when the virus was staring to take hold we weren't socially distancing, we weren't avoiding large gatherings, we weren't wearing masks, we weren't washing our hands to the extent we are now. Now we are doing all those things: 34 states currently have mask mandates. All the things the experts told us to do to help slow the spread yet we are still seeing record high hospitalizations? How good are masks really doing when 70-80% of people are wearing masks yet we are still seeing record high hospitalizations?
Masks are a false sense of security for people. Oooh if i just wear my mask i can go out and be safe. Meanwhile you go to a restaurant walking in with your mask on for the first 2 minutes while being seated, only to eat without a mask on for the next hour. How much sense does that make? And here we have public leaders saying masks are the best line of defense against spreading the virus. You even had Dr. Robert Refield arguing that wearing a facial covering may be more effective than an eventual vaccine. Really? This entire pandemic has turned into a Bizarro World episode of Seinfeld.
The good news is record high hospitalizations are not leading to record high daily deaths as therapeutics have improved. I do question how is it that we are seeing record highs hospitalizations now compared to the Spring? Back in early March when the virus was staring to take hold we weren't socially distancing, we weren't avoiding large gatherings, we weren't wearing masks, we weren't washing our hands to the extent we are now. Now we are doing all those things: 34 states currently have mask mandates. All the things the experts told us to do to help slow the spread yet we are still seeing record high hospitalizations? How good are masks really doing when 70-80% of people are wearing masks yet we are still seeing record high hospitalizations?
Masks are a false sense of security for people. Oooh if i just wear my mask i can go out and be safe. Meanwhile you go to a restaurant walking in with your mask on for the first 2 minutes while being seated, only to eat without a mask on for the next hour. How much sense does that make? And here we have public leaders saying masks are the best line of defense against spreading the virus. You even had Dr. Robert Refield arguing that wearing a facial covering may be more effective than an eventual vaccine. Really? This entire pandemic has turned into a Bizarro World episode of Seinfeld.
Who said the masks are not slowing the spread? Your record high rates could be ten, twenty times higher if not for the masks.
And as I mentioned, having a mask mandate does not mean everyone is complying, Miami has had one for several months, and I see hordes of people not wearing a mask. Also, people are not wearing a mask nor social distancing when they meet with family and friends, thus spreading it.
Who said the masks are not slowing the spread? Your record high rates could be ten, twenty times higher if not for the masks.
And as I mentioned, having a mask mandate does not mean everyone is complying, Miami has had one for several months, and I see hordes of people not wearing a mask. Also, people are not wearing a mask nor social distancing when they meet with family and friends, thus spreading it.
It's complete speculation that the numbers would be ten or twenty times higher if people weren't wearing masks. You can point out that some people still aren't wearing masks, but the reality is there are abundantly more people wearing masks today than back in the Spring. For all of our mark wearing efforts and statewide mask mandates, we are awarded with record high hospitalizations in this country? Sounds effective to me.
Unfortunately, based on that survey, the regional breakdown still holds most of the country around 10-15% infected. ND and SD are showing that the virus will, if left unchecked in cold weather, infect at least 40% of the population before peaking, and likely 60-70% before diminishing to background levels.
Qatar (foreign workers, segregated into communities): "At least some CMW communities in Qatar have reached or nearly reached herd immunity for SARS-CoV-2 infection at a proportion of ever infection of 65-70%." https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....24.20200543v2
It's complete speculation that the numbers would be ten or twenty times higher if people weren't wearing masks. You can point out that some people still aren't wearing masks, but the reality is there are abundantly more people wearing masks today than back in the Spring. For all of our mark wearing efforts and statewide mask mandates, we are awarded with record high hospitalizations in this country? Sounds effective to me.
All this means is you are comparing apples and oranges and so you cannot tell at all whether masks are effective at slowing down the spread based on those statistics. I personally believe that masks are a small part of an overall package that reduces the spread but it certainly isn’t as effective as working from home or closing down bars or banning big crowds, but I have no data to back that belief. What I do know for sure, however, is that this "hospitalizations vs. masking" nonsense doesn’t inform the debate.
The whole world is experiencing the same thing, but a part of our population believe it is all politics. It's all about us.
Our hospitalizations are at a record high, so higher mortality rates WILL follow. But they probably won't believe that either.
Yeah, I can't believe how this virus has some people acting. The nurses saying that some people on their death bed are denying it. It is truly sad how this virus has broken our society.
Yeah, I can't believe how this virus has some people acting. The nurses saying that some people on their death bed are denying it. It is truly sad how this virus has broken our society.
Our society was already broken, the virus just exposed that to daylight
The cdc recently released their final numbers from August serosurveys. Back then, the Midwest was 2% infected, the west was 5%, and the east coast was between 5 and 20%
Unfortunately, based on that survey, the regional breakdown still holds most of the country around 10-15% infected. ND and SD are showing that the virus will, if left unchecked in cold weather, infect at least 40% of the population before peaking, and likely 60-70% before diminishing to background levels.
If this wave isn't stopped by the half measures being implemented now (and I don't think it will), or by people locking themselves down out of fear, we are likely to see anywhere from 2X to 5X the number of daily infections we have today within 2 weeks, and at least a month of hell before rates naturally fall off.
Then again, I've thought the same about each previous wave, so what do I know? I think I've said this before, but "this time feels different": the asymptotic rises are sharper, the increases are more universal.
On the other hand, europe seemed to flatten their curve sooner than I'd expect from their lockdowns, so maybe our wave will flatten as well...
Where are you seeing that? Europe has been spiking hard (at least as of last week, I really haven't checked in a few days). Actually, just looking as I'm typing this, I guess I'm off-a number of countries did seem to peak a week or so ago and are on a slight downward trend. Hard to say what will happen-the thing I'm seeing is that the "experts" keep reversing their positions.
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