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Old 03-31-2020, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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But did the study follow-up with the asymptomatic cases?

You can be asymptomatic for up to 3 weeks before showing symptoms. So on week on, you could be positive and no symptoms, on week 5 you could be on a ventilator.

If they are not following the asymptomatic cases weeks past the testing date, I'm not really sure it means anything.
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Old 03-31-2020, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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But did the study follow-up with the asymptomatic cases?

You can be asymptomatic for up to 3 weeks before showing symptoms. So on week on, you could be positive and no symptoms, on week 5 you could be on a ventilator.

If they are not following the asymptomatic cases weeks past the testing date, I'm not really sure it means anything.
I'm not sure about follow up. I know 3 weeks before symptom is rarer. The median is 5 days.

Iceland has been tracking all data here:

https://www.covid.is/data
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Old 03-31-2020, 11:30 AM
 
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I'm not sure about follow up. I know 3 weeks before symptom is rarer. The median is 5 days.

Iceland has been tracking all data here:

https://www.covid.is/data

They could come down with the symptoms the day after the study.

It's no different than if I test negative today, I could be positive tomorrow.


I don't think a snapshot of any point in time really gives us an accurate picture of a moving target.
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Old 03-31-2020, 11:44 AM
 
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Though nowadays I am beginning to doubt that the situation in a global proportion all came from China. As China was pretty much locked down since Feb 1. With only a few evacuation flights that left China with all people quarantined after disembarking and that many countries blocked pretty much all entry from China or required quarantine for arrivals from China after landing since that date. Even if people left before the lockdown during the great human migration leading to Chinese New Years why wouldn't cases spike rapidly in February in other countries instead of March long after the tourists returned home?
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Old 03-31-2020, 12:14 PM
 
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Vaccine testing protocols mandated by the FDA are going to be responsible for much of the wait for this vaccine. Three stage clinical trials are required which included a toxicity trial (which simply makes certain the vaccine won't poison us). If that goes acceptably well, the next stage is an efficacy trial with a small group of people. Only if that goes well, do you proceed to the next stage which is an efficacy trial with a large group of people.

I'm undecided on this. However, I have toyed with the idea that perhaps there should only be one efficacy trial with a large group of subjects. It may be necessary to grant the vaccine manufacturers some statutory immunity from lawsuits.

We need this vaccine and perhaps we should consider cutting some corners.
I assume you’ll be among the very first to line up and volunteer to test the fast tracked vaccine on yourself.
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Old 03-31-2020, 12:15 PM
 
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Friends, this will be with us for a long long time!
Which is why we need to start thinking about our long term plan. Hiding from a virus can’t be the long term plan.
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Old 03-31-2020, 12:18 PM
 
Location: NYC
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But did the study follow-up with the asymptomatic cases?

You can be asymptomatic for up to 3 weeks before showing symptoms. So on week on, you could be positive and no symptoms, on week 5 you could be on a ventilator.

If they are not following the asymptomatic cases weeks past the testing date, I'm not really sure it means anything.
In Asia news channels, where they've reported that in Wuhan. 30% of people tested shows no symptoms and even after 3 weeks continue to have only minor or no symptoms. Which is why masks are the only way to prevent people from spreading and shielding from unsuspecting carriers.
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Old 03-31-2020, 12:25 PM
 
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Iceland testing is showing 50% asymptomatic.
It's also been shown that asymptomatic individuals can have even a higher viral load than those with symptoms.

So, since sick individuals are told to wear masks when in public perhaps the assumption should be:

I'm sick, therefore I should be wearing a mask to protect others.
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Old 03-31-2020, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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In Asia news channels, where they've reported that in Wuhan. 30% of people tested shows no symptoms and even after 3 weeks continue to have only minor or no symptoms. Which is why masks are the only way to prevent people from spreading and shielding from unsuspecting carriers.
I think antibody testing and masks are needed, in great supply, to get our country to a higher degree of productivity.
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Old 03-31-2020, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I assume you’ll be among the very first to line up and volunteer to test the fast tracked vaccine on yourself.
The very first will probably be health care workers and people working with the virus in research facilities. You know, people at high risk who have the scientific expertise to do a risk to benefit assessment.
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