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Old 05-01-2021, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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LOL at the rep comment I got "Shocker - some women enjoy devoting their life to being a caregiver and nurturer to their loved ones. I know I did. I am the most independent woman I know. Nice try tho." Honey, if you can't tell the difference between what you're doing, and a cult, you might be in a cult. Otherwise, move on, I wasn't talking about you.

If the person who left that comment doesn't have the means to support herself without her spouse, then she's not very independent.



I witnessed this with my own mother, who was well educated but gave up a career to have kids. When my dad lost his job and mental/physical health prevented him from ever working again in his 40s, my mom had to go back to work and did not have the skills to comfortably support the family. As her high school daughter at the time, that taught me an important lesson: it is irresponsible to leave "providing" solely or primarily to someone else.
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Old 05-01-2021, 07:35 PM
 
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And this matters to who?
If it doesn't matter to you...why are you here?
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Old 05-02-2021, 01:57 AM
 
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It probably matters to society cuz like.... he's a pedophile. So yeah. It matters that they caught and exposed that creep. Lock him up and throw away the key.
Strangely though, before the early 2000s/ late 90s, this wasnt that big of a deal, we didnt even have 'sex offender laws' at that time or registries for life.


I watched the movie Poltergeist last week, in the movie, there are 40 yr old construction workers sleazily hitting on their 14 yr old daughter, right in front of the parents..and they all joke about it! (one guy even said he was ready to marry the 14 yr old right there on the spot). LOL



I guess keeping our kids safe is relatively a new thing!
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Old 05-02-2021, 06:34 AM
 
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If you have or love children, this should matter to you.
Phrasing.
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Old 05-02-2021, 07:07 AM
 
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I just don't understand why Anna didn't leave him back in about 2015 when she learned that he molested four of his own sisters when he was a teenager! In addition he cheated on her with another woman and had a pornography problem before.

This guy attempted rehab a couple times. Obviously he has a chronic and persistent mental illness. My fear is that he is molesting his own children.

It seems that would be the next shoe to drop.
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Old 05-02-2021, 07:17 AM
 
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Strangely though, before the early 2000s/ late 90s, this wasnt that big of a deal, we didnt even have 'sex offender laws' at that time or registries for life.

I guess keeping our kids safe is relatively a new thing!
Not really a new thing. The McMartin preschool story is proof of that. It was back in 1983. It was prompted by what turned out to be a mentally ill mother of one of the kids who claimed that there were satanic rituals and child molesting going on at the school with underground tunnels where these activities were hidden. Turned out none of that was going on and it taught law enforcement and investigators how not to investigate this sort of thing.

The McMartin Preschool Abuse Trial: A Commentary

There is also the Michael Jackson allegations. That was from the early 90's. And the Catholic church sex abuse cases that started getting wide attention in the 1980's.
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Old 05-02-2021, 08:51 AM
 
Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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I guess keeping our kids safe is relatively a new thing!
I find it disturbing that you keep repeating that (erroneous) sentiment whenever a thread about abuse of kids comes up, as if you'd like to go back to that time.
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Old 05-02-2021, 11:08 AM
 
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If the person who left that comment doesn't have the means to support herself without her spouse, then she's not very independent.



I witnessed this with my own mother, who was well educated but gave up a career to have kids. When my dad lost his job and mental/physical health prevented him from ever working again in his 40s, my mom had to go back to work and did not have the skills to comfortably support the family. As her high school daughter at the time, that taught me an important lesson: it is irresponsible to leave "providing" solely or primarily to someone else.
I don't have a problem with either the man or woman giving up a career to raise kids (especially given the costs of child care, it often doesn't make sense anyway for both to work). But that doesn't have any bearing on this family, it is patriarchy in every way, with women not just not independent, but subservient.
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Old 05-02-2021, 11:13 AM
 
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Strangely though, before the early 2000s/ late 90s, this wasnt that big of a deal, we didnt even have 'sex offender laws' at that time or registries for life.


I watched the movie Poltergeist last week, in the movie, there are 40 yr old construction workers sleazily hitting on their 14 yr old daughter, right in front of the parents..and they all joke about it! (one guy even said he was ready to marry the 14 yr old right there on the spot). LOL



I guess keeping our kids safe is relatively a new thing!
People didn't talk about it then, it was something to be ashamed of. I told my mother after an incident with a neighbor's son across the street (he was maybe 18, 19) when I was 7, when he locked the door, grabbed me and started trying to pull my pants off, after my brother sent me over there to get something. I screamed and said "I'm going to tell my mom!" and he kind of "came to" and let me go. That wasn't even the first incident with him, he often had his penis out when I was around, although at that age I thought he didn't know. He also rubbed against me once with my clothes on but his penis was out. My mom's response was "Don't go over there by yourself anymore". This was late 60's.

I can't even count the number of times I was hit on by adult men from the ages of 10 to 16.

The worst trauma from the neighbor's son, was that as an adult, he married a woman who had 2 young daughters, maybe 3 or 4 years old. I was an adult then too, maybe 18. When I was visiting my grandmother (the house I grew up in) I saw those little girls running around on the lawn, I felt very strongly that I should warn his new wife about him, but I was afraid to, and again, the shame that I felt (even though I don't know why I felt ashamed) kept me from going over. I think I had subconscious thoughts that it was somehow my fault. I doubt she'd have believed me, but I feel like. should have tried. 15 years later he went to jail for molesting them for years, from the time of the marriage until they were teenagers and mom "caught" him. I am positive he only married that woman for access to the little girls.

A lot of kids simply weren't believed back then, too. Look how many kids had tried to tell about the Catholic priests, and they just shuffled them around to different parishes. I'm sure more than one kid who tried to tell was slapped and greeted with "How dare you say that about the Father!!"

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Old 05-02-2021, 11:18 AM
 
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This guy attempted rehab a couple times. Obviously he has a chronic and persistent mental illness. My fear is that he is molesting his own children.
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Ya, me too. I wonder if that thought ever crosses his wife's mind?

Where did this all start? Is Jim bob a predator too, is this who he learned it from?

jmo
I very much dislike the duggars, but do you really want to blame the father for what the son did? How far do you want to take that? Has a rapist learned it from his father? How about a bank robber? A school shooter? A serial killer? The only thing I feel they can be blamed for is covering it up and just sending the kid to some random christian training camp. They should have involved professionals who deal with teenage predators.
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