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The most practical way to handle murder cases is life sentences. But it seems that a lot of us are genuinely and morbidly fascinated in an utterly ghoulish way by people hung by their necks or squirming on a table with poison in their veins. It’s all so medieval.
I guess I'm having a hard time with this. If someone is that developmentally disabled how were they able to get a gun, use it and have a group of friends to celebrate about it with after?
Im guessing this guy came from a background where no one cared what he learned or if he went to school. Where did they even get his IQ score from and why do people always take someone's IQ score so seriously? I mean i would think errors could be made in coming up with someone's IQ score from time to time.
Clearly this guy had it in him to get a gun, shoot someone and kill them and brag about it after. Getting a gun and Killing someone with it takes a certain amount of thought. I'm not saying this guy was smart by any means but he knew what he was doing and should be held accountable.
I say this respectfully...no one is saying he DIDN'T commit this crime, or that he didn't deserve the death penalty. The bone of contention is whether he understood that he had choice in the method of execution.
He and his lawyer say he didn't understand (or even know) that he had a choice in the matter, and if he HAD understood (but he was too dumb) he would've chosen the alternative to lethal injection.
There's a lot of discrimination on citydata, not pointing a finger at you or your post personally. But I do believe we have to take into account poverty and education. Minorities are far behind in these areas, why is it any surprise that they commit more crimes statistically?
Take a look at poor white areas, the number correlate just the same. And whites are known for different types of crimes, embezzelment, tax evasion, "white collar crimes" paper theft.
So I feel it is best we consider all these variables before we condemn people because of the color of their skin, or even point it out, rather I would prefer we look at poverty and education levels and compare THOSE statistics with say, people of more means, who obviously commit many crimes of opportunity but are more stealthy, sneaky, and predatory in a different manner. Doesn't mean that "whites" are "better people" on some level of discrimination.
I hear you. Violent crimes are particularly awful however. You can't bring people back that were killed. You can recover stolen property.
I was only responding to someone's statement and this will be my last post on this matter as I posted numbers.
I say this respectfully...no one is saying he DIDN'T commit this crime, or that he didn't deserve the death penalty. The bone of contention is whether he understood that he had choice in the method of execution.
He and his lawyer say he didn't understand (or even know) that he had a choice in the matter, and if he HAD understood (but he was too dumb) he would've chosen the alternative to lethal injection.
ok that makes more sense if he and his lawyer are trying to come up a case where they are trying to say he was too dumb to realize what he was doing.
Where does one even get an IQ exam these days? Are these still a thing? My kids are 5 and 7 and as far as I know they've never had an IQ test. I'm 43 and i'm not even sure if I've had one.
Seems like intelligence is measured by grades these days.
All that aside it's kind of astonishing to me that someone with a low IQ who is nearly 'mentally retarded' would be able to get a gun, then go party afterwards and brag about it. Most mentally challenged people I've known have been very sweet and kind. Perhaps I've led a sheltered life?
When I hear the word disabled I have to say that I think of someone who is in a wheelchair, blind, deaf or something along those lines. I guess I dont think of a disabled person as being someone who lacked intelligence but was able to acquire a gun, shoot someone and go to parties with friends and brag about it. The guy was dumb, not disabled.
Pyschologists, counselors, therapists...
I've taken 2 or 3 in my life, and my youngest had one done to be considered for the school gifted program.
If you put me in a room with a test and told me "If you do well on this test, we're going to kill you", then I'm not going to do well on that test. ... or any test after that one.
If you put me in a room with a test and told me "If you do well on this test, we're going to kill you", then I'm not going to do well on that test. ... or any test after that one.
Fair observation. LOL
My son answered some of the questions on his wrong on purpose. He didn't want to be considered a nerd.
All that aside it's kind of astonishing to me that someone with a low IQ who is nearly 'mentally retarded' would be able to get a gun, then go party afterwards and brag about it. Most mentally challenged people I've known have been very sweet and kind. Perhaps I've led a sheltered life?
Mentally retarded people run the gamut of personalities, temperaments and predilections just like any other people.
That said, my understanding is that one of the key objections to sentencing someone with a very low IQ to the death penalty is not that they can't be held accountable for a crime, but that they cannot participate cogently in their defense the way someone of more typical intelligence can. It's easier for them to be stitched up or railroaded, harder for them to choose good counsel, they may not be able to understand their Constitutional rights, etc. So it's harder for them to get a fair trial.
Mentally retarded people run the gamut of personalities, temperaments and predilections just like any other people.
That said, my understanding is that one of the key objections to sentencing someone with a very low IQ to the death penalty is not that they can't be held accountable for a crime, but that they cannot participate cogently in their defense the way someone of more typical intelligence can. It's easier for them to be stitched up or railroaded, harder for them to choose good counsel, they may not be able to understand their Constitutional rights, etc. So it's harder for them to get a fair trial.
This is probably the. best analysis of the problem.
I am shocked that they executed anyone with that low of a IQ. When I was working 70 was the cutoff to be diagnosed with ID/MR.
I'm not shocked. I actually expect stuff like this.
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